I ninja edited on you. At first I didn't see his thread, then went back and changed it. That's one thing I enjoy about ORDN. It isn't just motorcycles. This is a whole world of it's own. A gathering of ideas and views. Life isn't a fairy tale where everything is perfect and I can ride off into the sunset whenever I want. Stuff happens in the world and pretending that it is otherwise is plain dumb. There are plenty of other sites that are strictly dedicated to motorcycles. But this site blends everything everyone encounters everyday. If I think what fusion says about Obama is complete bull shit, I can choose to argue my point with him, or close the stupid thread. (Not picking on you fusion, just an example.) So many people bitch about this site being over modded, or Casper plays favorites, or the mods can post in closed threads, whine whine whine. Seems when someone gets banned or leaves there are three more people ready to take their place.