As far as the stang goes I owe $14000 on it. Kbb value is only $12000 for the best condition. I guess I could put it up for 14000 and it will take a long time to sell it. I drive a lot so the value goes down like crazy. Put on 20000 miles last year. I always chose going out to the bar or doing something over the xbox. Trade value sucks on the car as well. Thanks for the advice everyone.