jester is dead

You have got to be the dumbest person alive. Guess you didn't read where I said it's the foundation for your upper body.

No no no Craig this dude has his own world renowned riding school and a long list of champions he has trained !!!!!! Wait that's not true it must be Cali superbike school I'm thinking of

Nope again as I said they actually can't touch the pegs. I use my crotch against the back of the tank and my arms under braking....then adjust my body position for cornering. I have no idea what you're talking about with walking on your hands but Xaus is sitting on the seat and sliding the rear end. That's not cornering anyway. I can do the same thing when leaned over (take one hand off). Who manhandles the bars?

Show us a pic of you hanging off a table holding yourself with one leg.

Omg pay attention! Your feet are touching the foot pegs in the picture you posted !!!"

While cornering at the track you are obviously moving your ass so far that your foot no longer touches the foot peg !! Stop moving your ass so far and your foot will still touch the damn peg !!!! The point of asking do u walk on your hands is to illustrate that your legs are stronger ! Under breaking its a lot easier to support your weight with your legs rather than your arms . Furthermore it allows you to feel what's goin on up front and not put any unwanted inputs into the bars . xaus is in the corner !!! Watch the video

On the track no I usually cannot reach my outside peg at all. If I can it is just barely. (Im not that short it's just those pegs are very low, got rearsets now though). I've seen motogp riders not touching the outside peg at all many times.

I don't use stomp grip so I don't really brake with my thighs squeezing the tank much. Really nothing like cornering.

Riding a motard is another example where it is impossible.

The point was your feet can touch the pegs . Under breaking u have a choice . Support your weight with your arms or legs ya don't have any other options. Which is stronger your legs or your arms ? Do u walk around all day on your hands ?? Oh and BTW rueben xaus famous pic of him sliding the hypermotard with one hand off the bar (thumbs up) would be an example of using his legs to hold on

Whatever works for you. But I have logged over 50K miles I'm quit certain at this point my leg isn't doing anything. Except maybe adding area for the friction on my seat or something. Definitely not holding on with it or even tightening the muscles at all.

No....you would know over me......

Look at your picture . Is your foot touching the foot peg ???? Yes it is ! You have said ya thought stomp grip was for breaking. I'm assuming your squeezing the tank w ur legs under breaking???? Well then its quite similar while cornering . Instead of using both legs as u do when breaking you're using your outside leg .

Great....that's his style. I have stock pegs and am somewhat shorter. Can't do it.

Might want to crack a book sometime.

Ummmmmm ...........No that's not his style its how all Cali sbk coaches ride even Joe who is a tiny little short dude . The only way it would be an impossibility is if you had no legs at all .

Do it up. Mine are incapable of touching do to the kind of bike I ride and I do just fine, haven't fell off yet. I ride in A and turn 1:19's at putnam on a bone stock sport touring bike.

Ya see Craig you are a dbag!!!! This guy can't even get his knee to contact the bike with his outside knee in the cut out on the gas tank cuz its totally not designed for that . I know I know Craig your gonna tell me a Cali sbk coach has the same bike and uses his legs to stabilize his lower body but you're an idiot !!

Yea that's about it. The legs allow you to lower the center of gravity which I would assume is the point of moving off the bike to begin with. Apparently to some an ass cheek weighs more than a torso so there is no need to move the torso. I would also guess that this body that is shifted off will need a solid base of some sort, the legs would be a horrible choice for that.

Craig ur a dbag !!! I walk around all day on my hands cuz my upper body is sooo designed to support all my weight . Furthermore my lone ass cheek out weighs my torso by like 100 pounds . This theory you have is preposterous. I mean really ! Why would I want my lower body to be stable on the bike ??? Next you will be tellin me if I don't use my hands to support my weight I will be able to feel what the front tire is doin or maybe even allow the front wheel to track on its own

oh so you've been to all the "top level" schools have you.

show me that they teach that.

the force...INERTIA...is holding your ass on the bike. show me you using your inner leg on a stationary object to hold your whole bodyweight up. go try it sometime and let me see you do it over and over again the length of time you ride around the track. I bet you're underestimating how much you're using the seat to hold up your body.

there's 0 reason you should be pushing down with your legs on the pegs or gripping the tank with them at a lean. we're not talking about when you stand the bike up and accelerate out of the corner and grip the tank with your legs.

want to see what mladin says about schools?

also pause the video at 1:34 and tell me his knee is being used against the tank.

Craig why don't you ask this dude how he plans on lowering bike/rider combined center of gravity ???? Wait .....Nevermind he's obviously so smart he knows ya gotta lower your upper body down and inside the bike to do so even though his picture doesn't show it . Here's another idea Craig . Ask him how many appendages the human body has . No wait don't I'm sure our scholar already knows its four . Ok Craig I've got it !! If he were to lower his upper body down and in as opposed to his picture perhaps he would have an opportunity to hold onto the bike with one or two of these four appendages we all have.

Then again perhaps our highly intellectual friend wishes to remain crossed up on the bike in opposition to his vast amount of knowledge that tells him lowering combined center of gravity equals less lean angle for a given speed.

i wouldn't listen to jester is dead. he likes dudes.

Asian dudes are kinda like girls no ??

I surely don't want to imply my method is textbook. And never meant to imply KC teaches nutt to tank. Just saying that is how I ride on the street.

It is just what works for me. I hang upper body further only if required which isnt my normal street technique. I'm too old and out of shape to ride textbook

Well I rode crossed up for years and now that California sbk has fixed my body position I'm not fighting the bike and it takes a lot less effort to ride . We coach 15 sessions on a normal day and if they hadn't taught me to lock on with the outside leg I wouldn't be physically able to last that long. I'm 40 ,James Toohey a level 4 coach is 45 and Jon groom another level 4 coach is older than dirt .

If your fast now then fixing up that body position will make you really Effin fast .

I sent Craig a few pics of Jon & James so u can see the difference when he posts them.

I would love to see you out at the school cuz I know these guys can help anyone . Hell James taught a world super bike rider last season .

Let me clarify what I mean by twist. I ride nutt to tank. BEFORE the turn, I get my body in the position I want to go through the turn using. My position is to move one butt check off the seat and slightly forward. I think of it as having the pivot point just where the tank and seat meet. I'm still hanging off some and I still use my opposite leg to help hold on the bike. I fully agree that light on the bars is very important to going fast. I don't recommend doing anything mid turn.

Keith code mentions in the "Twist II DVD" to get one butt check off the seat. One check is enough.

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o502/turnone/188452.jpg

See in this picture how I am off and leaned forward. This is what I consider pivoting. Easy for me to rotate around the bank of the tank = easier to ride fast longer.

Chris

I will have to watch dvd again. I think you have misinterpreted something.reason being we (California sbk ) don't teach nutt to tank twisting . Too close to tank is actually a thing we correct in level one steering drill . Also in the pic u supplied your upper body is crossed up .meaning your spine angle is opposed to the direction your going putting your head in the center of the bike along with your upper body . Note your inside arm is almost straight and looks stiff as well.

I will send a pic to Craig and have him post it so you can see the difference.

"Get your butt off the seat" Yes. I like Keith Code's one butt check approach. I generally pivot my hips arount the back of the tank to get my cheek off and forward to keep weight on the front end.

"amazing how much more tire you have" Yes. Chicken strips are evidence of more tire available.

But when combined the full statement could confuse someone.

To clarify, more off the seat = less lean angle for the same speed.

Chris

I have never heard Keith state anything about a butt cheek approach .

However I have heard him say that a stable lower body (pelvis ) allows the rider to move his upper body down and inside the bike. the only way to accomplish this is by being locked on to the bike with the outside leg.

I used to twist on the bike and it causes quite a lot of troubles at speed . Now that I'm locked on with my outside leg I can ride with no bar pressure in the turn thus the front doesn't slide like it used to when I was all twisted up and pressing on the inside bar.

If I ever run an endurance team, I'll be choosing teammates I can trust first, and guys who go fast second.

this would be the smart thing to do when racing FT !!!!!!!!!!!!

at heleacoil

wow thats alot of info brian,and while i do agree with you that

kathy left alot of questions unanswered..............its FT and she

did say if ya wanna ride email her.(i assume she meant to work

it out in private w prospective riders)

i think its possible your level of endrance racing is beyond what

a FT team might be looking for as far as the "financial"

comitment needed to undergo a team effort that would meet

your standards.(no sarcasm intended)

imo FT is FOR FUN and the amount of $$ and time is relevent to

each teams goals.

obviously "leaning lizard" racing will be a different effort as oposed

to FBR (flat black racing) does this make either wrong????

no just different

The best thing about the shitty economy is the lesson we learn now will help us live better and be more thankful when things get better............oh wait that won't happen wtf was I thinking

I've ridden both and while the ktm is badass I would say the tuono wins by a tiny margine.

Nobody screws with the FET!!!!

Rotella t syn 5w 40 has never failed us in the 3hr endurance bikes.

Plus I work an average of 28 track days a year and change the oil 3 times a season in the track whore with no problems or signs of significant oil breakdown.

Most instructors won't go more than 6 track days without changing the oil,hell I know a guy who won't go more than 2 track days without changing lube.

If your looking for cost effective and longevity Rotella is my fave.

You wanna spend some cash for blingtastic lube go get 50 bux worth of motul or repsol.

This is amazingly funny!

You're actually arguing about which politician is worse??

Isn't that like an argument over which is worse manson or dahmer?

It puts the lotion on the skin !!!!lol

Sorry guys couldn't resist

Hookers came first !!!

Its called the oldest profession for a reason.

Sounds like sour grapes!!!

TBH, instructors are very nice to have...but for an event like this, it's possible to manage a track day without.

When the Buell guys were there, only a handful of riders seemed interested in their break-time classroom instruction. Besides for following an instructor, this was the most helpful.

Oh well, I guess you wont get to pass Flounder like the rest of us on Saturday. Your loss.

No sour grapes ! Brian has a legitimate question.

With STT you had a known quantity.

Also a LED day as with any day at the track is most assuredly in need of control riders and the added benefit of instruction.

Hmmmmmm it does look familiar. Lol

While there were 10 articles on 60 ways to please my man I was actually reading an editorial on cougars.

The authors pen name ? Craig 636

Ps can anyone explain why there are more naked women in cosmo than there are in sport rider and yet people are offended with the moto mag?

That's JESTER IS DEAD nimrod !!!!!!

Funny stuff tomass I almost peed myself.

Hmm.. dunno why they're not affiliated anymore I liked STT running track days at Mid-O. I don't want anything to change. I think they were doing an excellent job over the past two years that I've been riding with them. I want to see all the same great coaches and staff next year and listen to Monte give his riders meetings. Makes it a good time

Thanx for the props !

It would be great if you were to relate these thoughts to mid ohio.

Thanx again and please come out to see us(STT) at all the other tracks we frequent.