Geeto67

I disagree on some points. A lot of people that have bought Tesla's ARE car enthusiasts, but in many cases it's not their only vehicle, they love the performance (acceleration and handling), and are fed up with traditional dealership experiences. If people just wanted soulless transportation there would be no market for Ludacris or Plaid. People were buying Tesla's instead of BMW 7's and Mercedes S-Class's, and it wasn't for any luxury on the interior.

I don't think anybody is disputing that tesla owners are "car people" or that speed sells. I think the mfgs just want to own the revenue stream from the space. The aftermarket will still produce wheels and brake kits and such, but engines/trannies/superchargers/nitrous will see a decline as electrics become more common and what will it be replaced with? There is already a problem with mfgs, warranties, and aftermarket parts - if they gained control over the aftermarket through an app store style setup, then how much of an aftermarket is there really?

what I meant by electric car culture is smart phone culture - is that Tesla looks at its cars like rolling smart phones, where as all the established automakers look at electrics as cars first. Because of that Tesla is able to innovate and get adoption by non car people who also want customization and not soulless transportation - afterall, smartphones aren't soulless and their culture is all about personalization and personal expression. The problem with Tesla looking at their cars as giant smart phones is that cars have a ton of consumer protection laws for a lot of reasons (99% of them being the past super shady business practices of mfg's and dealers) and Tesla is actively working on ways to get them to not apply to it's cars.

There are some automakers looking to allow outside app development (I think it was Stellantis that made an announcement to this). I assume it will be treated like the Apple App Store where the OEM takes a cut.

I am interested in seeing how this plays out. Yes phones are super expensive but they aren't expensive like a car, and there is already a turf war over warranties and jailbreaking in the phone space. I feel like once they start looking at the costs associated with third party and warranty coverage it will do a quick about face.

I dont agree with what Tesla has done with reclaiming features the original owner paid for. Part of the vehicles value is based on how its equipped, especially when you have a $7-10k option like FSD. There's a gray area with something like Clay's vehicle though with lifetime free Supercharging. Since I dont think that's on the Monroney, I think they could treat that as a benefit to the original buyer, like a non-transferable extended warranty or service plan and take it away. It depends on the legal jargon attached to it. Not quite as bad as BMW making heated seats a subscription, but still shady.

 

What you'll definitely see is features like FSD, Supercruise, BlueCruise, etc require a data plan to keep them active. So they will get you on a subscription plan, but it's not the same as charging a second owner $10k for the option all over again.

I don't think anybody really likes this approach who is a consumer.

It isn't just Tesla. I know BMW is planning it, and I've heard other manufacturers are planning it.

 

https://www.thedrive.com/news/34547/bmw-is-planning-to-sell-heated-seats-and-more-as-a-subscription-no-really

Yeah...What Tesla kinda proved is that the electric car culture is smart phone culture, not car culture. With smart phones, when you sell a phone it gets reset back to base spec and then you as the used phone buyer download all the customized apps and subscriptions to tailor it to your needs. Tesla looks at its cars like phones and it's soft options as apps.

here is the problem at the heart of the matter: the Monroney Sticker and buyer's guide. Basically, if your options can be revoked that has to be disclosed on the Monroney when the car is sold new. The buyers guide is the monroney for used cars and it lists similar options. So person A buys a new Tesla and spends for something like FSD (auto-drive). When person A sells or trades the car in they think that FSD goes with the car because they weren't warned. The used dealer or second buyer takes the car thinking they have bought this option, only for Tesla to shut it off - thus stealing the value of the car from the used dealer and/or the next buyer. In many cases Tesla doesn't turn if off until after the used dealer discloses the option in the buyer's guide and sells it to the next owner, Because it was sold in the buyer's guide - the dealer is now on the hook for the cost of the option and the dealer now has a cause of action against Tesla.

BMW and the other mfg's are going to figure out the legal language needed to disclose this and it looks like the industry is heading to making physical cars some form of base model with options being pay to play customizable or subscription based. In some ways this actually is good for the consumer because other than color choice it means that used car buyers can actually get cars with options they need instead of having to search out specifically optioned vehicles.

here are the problems I have with it:

- I don't think the mfg's are planning to allow third party development of "options" like smart phones allow third party development of apps. I think this is how they mfg's are going to make up for the revenue lost from selling parts since electric vehicles don't have that many parts and the few they have basically total the vehicle. This gives them a monopoly on car customization and destroys a large part of the aftermarket

- Right to repair is going to go away almost overnight since even if you are the most magical coder in the world, the mfg can just brick your car if it determines you tampered with the code without authorization.

anybody else have thoughts?

Did he get a plate? or was it a hit and run?

In the past, whenever I was in an accident, I tried to get the car VIN if I could. Why? Plates can be stolen, but a VIN usually ties the car back to an owner and puts them on the hook for being responsible.

one more thing...

 

A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins. . from Wikipedia

 

SO again this is not a vaccine it is some medicine to kinda help you with covid..it doesn't prevent you from getting it(immunity) nor does it prevent you from dying from it

congrats, you know how google works. now use it to look up medical immunity.

Edit: This is going to take too long, EVERY vaccine is some kind of medicine to help you with the the thing it is vaccinating you from. Immunity is a resistance, which means the harmful disease still enters your system - your immune system has just been trained to fight it more efficiently.

Since you brought up an alcohol shot, just like everyone has a different tolerance to alcohol, people have different tolerances to vaccines. For most their immune system gets really good at killing the disease as soon as it enters their system. For Some it is not as efficient and they might experience symptoms, for a few, the symptoms will be quite severe, and for a very small amount Death could still be the outcome. In every case, those people were still better off vaccinated than not - just as someone who is a regular drinker will have a higher tolerance than someone drinking for the first time. This is true for EVERY vaccine in the history of human kind. No vaccine mechanically, chemically, or physically blocks the disease from entering your system, every one of them trains your immune system to kill it quickly before it can become a raging infection. This is also why vaccinated people have shorter contagious periods as well.

The problem isn't the vaccine, it's you. You don't understand immunity and what you think it is laughably unrealistic.

Why do you have such strong opinions about stuff that you know very little about?

because the Dunning-Kruger effect is real.

so ok..it took him a year to make a change...once the science came about..but at that time the science apparently indicated what he said...so we are what 16 months into the science on this ?

 

What happens if in several years the science changes?

Science is constantly changing. That's how science works - it adapts to new information and adjusts accordingly.

A lot of ppl are making big bucks from this..yes I believe that is a driving factor in this thing.

Yes a lot of people are making big bucks from this. The Scientists at the CDC are not. Most of the people making the big bucks, Amazon, Walmart, etc..., don't have access or even interaction with the scientists working with the politicians on the public response plan (unless you have some out there conspiracy theory that they do, in which case you should have lead with that).

There is a difference between being opportunistic and being in charge.

Again it isn't a vaccine it's a shot.

A vaccine is a type of medicine. A shot is a delivery method for medicine. So they are both. Based on everything you have said, you don't really seem to understand anything about a) how vaccines work, b) how they are administered, and c) basic concepts of medicine.

where did I say I know more than him..you are soooooooo wrong..again

and as usual all the libs have avoided what was posted

Generally speaking people don't mock people whose opinion they value and whose knowledge and intelligence they recognize as being greater than their own. Other than to call him names and ask if people are still listening to him, you haven't really addressed anything he has said in substance nor provided any proof for your comments.

Also what is it that I am avoiding that was posted? you want me to opine on your statement that he is Alfred E Newman?

yes..i watch him on the news and it's great comedy relief .. i always liked mad mag and this is a real life alfred e neuman

you want to know what's really good comic relief? reading your comments on how you are smarter or know more than Dr. Fauci on infectious diseases. Pure. Comedy. Gold.

So why not let it run as is until it can no longer run??

because it costs money to host and the software is so old there is no place to host it that is affordable, or at least that is how I am reading the below:

...The software is super old, the newest versions won't upgrade cleanly so we can move to more modern (and cheaper) hosting, and our traffic has dropped to the point it's just not viable to keep things up any more.

how else am I going to argue with greg and Kerry?!

 

this legit kinda rattles my cage. I was a wee squirt when I joined here. Im now a big squirt.

facebook, where all the good arguing happens;)

did it have mfg plates?

They build them in Normal, Ill., about 5 hours away from here.

Dafug? I think I’ve seen it all until this

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/387810893115924/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ab7808153-29cd-4f40-968c-f8f13138c32c

“Did you just cum inside me” written on the wing. Classy.

I want to hate this thing but I can’t. It’s amazing.

WTF mode, awesome name lol.

Watts to Freedom (WTF) mode is proof that GM "gets" EV car culture. None of the other car/bike mfg's who are making EV's (esp Harley Davidson) get that EV culture is smartphone/videogame/social media/meme/pop culture. Tesla gets it, that's why Tesla has been eating everyone's lunch for so long.

Now if GM could only make an easter egg of Cleetus McFarland saying "hell yeah brother" when you engage WTF mode...

BTW, hummer wheelies is why I have faith that hot rodding will persist in the EV age. Right now there is some code monkey reading this and in about 6 months will "jailbrake" whatever controls are keeping hummer wheelies away from the public, that they will then sell as a "tune".

Also, Hummer Wheelies is the name of my Chickenfoot cover band....or at least it should be

No worries, to be fair you could always use the 'I didn't start it' defense here.

don't encourage him, listening to his half-baked libertarian bullshit is enough.

...but the WT looks horrible (probably a poor choice in acronym too for the cheapest model). But hopefully a lot of the WT's will end up vinyl wrapped with some business graphics all over it.

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FWIW the WT trim stands for "Work Truck" (literally that's what it is called in all internal and external materials) and has been around since 1988 and the GMT400 platform. As I have been told, they were originally a way for dealers to order fleet spec bare bones trucks for customers that didn't qualify as Fleet or commercial customers. It's a terrible trim acronym but it is a legacy one for GM.

I'm kinda with you on being confused as to why they used the WT for a clean sheet base model electric. They could have literally gone with anything else, but they chose the trim of the truck that anybody who has every worked for a municipality has cursed for it's too small cab, uncomfortable vinyl seats, and ashtrays so hard to clean that everybody just lets them fill up till they overflow. Even now just saying WT has me picturing a white 1991 long bed short cab with peeling paint, gray grill and bumpers, and reeking of parliaments.

Building a new house with a much larger oversize 3-car, so who knows if the TBD toy will be purchased this year or not.

 

I do kind of have a big itch to sell the FJ and buy a GX, but that's not overly exciting. Maybe keeping the FJ and buying a fun car would be best course.

have you seen what FJ's are selling for? keep it for as long as you can.

...the media and politicians have stupidly made vaxxing a political issue.

 

FTFY.

Media and Politicians aren't effective without an audience. Way to rob people of their agency.

2K catalyzed lacquer is just lacquer that dries by evaporation. You want 2K Polyurethane. Any body shop should be able to shoot 2K poly clear since it's just automotive clear coat.

That said most body shops would want to do the full prep: Primer, Black, 2K clear so that they know the stuff they sprayed is compatible.

I would talk to some of the small guitar shops around town, since that's how an electric guitar is finished. Start with Music Go round at Carriage place and The Guitar Repair Co. on Indianola ave and ask them who repaints guitars.

1. Get the VW motorcycle finished. I lost a year on it this year setting up my home garage to fit two cars. I want it to at least have all the fab work done and have it be a running, reliable motorcycle. My stretch goal is to have it painted and ready for the Garage Brewed Motorcycle show at Rhinegeist in Jan 2023.

2. get my kawasaki h1 race bike on the track for at least 1 vintage race this year, likely VMD, NJMP, or barber.

3. Get the GTO moved to Ohio. Preferably driving it as content for lucore or my youtube channel

4. start a YouTube channel for my stupid projects

5. finish and sell the Audi A3

6. start metal work on the Jeep.

7. finish setting up home garage with 50gal air compressor, drill press, oxy welder, lift (motorcycle)

8. Get my other two cb750s roadworthy again.

9. Adventure!!!!

10. Profit???

new york is doing everything your side wants... vaccinations to be empolyed, shut downs, etc and still has garbage numbers vs the rest of the country.

What side is that? I keep telling you I don't have a "side".....sigh....

Anyway, NYC isn't a situation you can compare with say, columbus ohio. For starters it has 10x the population in roughly the same physical space. Still for all those "mandates" between 15 to 30% are still unvaccinated in the city, to put that in perspective 10% is the population of the entire city of columbus.

only about 8% of covid tests administered are coming back positive, but because of sheer density that comes back as tens of thousands of cases per day. Columbus is seeing the same spike in cases on the same days but because of the population density it's 1600 instead of 15,000. Columbus is seeing a 25-30% increase in positive covid tests so it's actual beating NY percentage wise .

Even with all the "record breaking" numbers - the largest pool of individuals suffering from covid across the board is the unvaccinated. So your example of NY is moot.

people are born a certain way and not a thing is wrong with that... being 200 pounds over weight is a personal decision.

This is not true for everyone, there are a number of diseases that can cause an involuntary obese condition in people. By why let that get in the way of a good fiction.

new york is doing a great job with covid numbers using your logic. genetics has nothing to do with not being able to put down the spoon. sure people are born short, big boned, etc... but rocking 200 pounds over weight is a personal decision.

I dare you to make less sense.....seriously, I know these are English words but WTF are you actually trying to say?

kerry you are partially wrong...just a few days ago one of the talking head docs on the news said obesity and diabetes play a large part in covid issue, but i agree that genetics play a large part in it.

With the last part I'm glad to see you are in agreement with me

They play a large part in the death toll because those who are susceptible to it are far far far more likely to have an adverse reaction to it if they have co-morbidities like obesity and diabetes. To that end I agree with all of your statement. The genetic component and who is susceptible (i.e an a-symptomatic carrier) is genetic.

it sounds like we are in full agreement. Tim on the other hand thinks if you are in good shape you have nothing to fear (something I have heard him say multiple times), which is just simply not true and I don't think you would agree with that either.

So far what we are seeing is that those who are vaccinated are more likely to either not become symptomatically infected and if they are are more likely to have a positive outcome than those who are not. In the unvaccinated category those who are fit are more likely to have a positive outcome than those who have co-morbidities, but either way the vaccinated still have the highest chance of a positive outcome. Trying to dismiss or trivialize vaccines because a person is healthy is just recklessly bad advice on all fronts.

Has a lot to do with health and underlying conditions. Those that are overweight are generally less healthy to begin with and since a large swath of our society is, we're going to continue to see them get hit. Vaxes aren't as effective on them either. Time to move on. It's going to be a shame if 2022 is another year of shit show events.

Actually no....

It has most to do with your genetics. A virus isn't technically a living thing, it's a small piece of self replicating genetic code (either DNR or RNA) that inserts itself into the code in your cells in order to replicate. Everyone's DNA is different as is their internal environment. It isn't known yet why Covid-19 and it's evolving variants find hospitable vs hostile in each case, but a lot of the differences in environment boil down to genetics and immune systems.

yes co-morbidities can make the symptoms worse for a lot of people, and even fatal, but that isn't why some people are unaffected and others are gravely affected, it's just why some who are affected have a worse experience than what they would have had if they were in shape. Poverty, malnutrition, starvation, and improper access to medical care etc...also play a part but It's not hard to see Tim that you don't really care about those people, you just want to bag on fat people because that's your thing. There are enough people with co-morbidities that are unaffected to be considered more than outliers so really your position falls apart. If you think you can just stay fit and be healthy and this won't affect you - that's a huge gamble you take based on false logic.