Yep, exactly, and I think the Lease thing must be the biggest money maker. The only sales I could find in that class of vehicle were lease specials, no one really want to sell one for a good price, just provide a lower monthly payment.
Finally I called Hinderer, told them what I wanted, and what I wanted to pay. They had the car detailed and waiting for me on Monday night when I arrived, it was almost a painless transaction with them. All the other Honda dealerships were packed, and I felt like they all had the attitude "If you don't buy this, someone else will"
When I bought my Mustang from Ricart I had tons of room to play on price, and a lot of negotiating on the table. I also bought it right before winter so I think that helped a lot.