kinda my feelings also even with me being a mod i dont like this but im gonna have to give my view on it and throw my thoughts in now agreed with both parts here! i have said time and time again if ANYONE has any problem with ANYTHING pm me and i will try to get answers or shit fixed. thats all it takes is on pm to any of us. and hell i know for a fact that i have seen shit and gone out of my way to contact those effected. ok the red i agree with you for the most part. you cant blame others for one persons actions/decisions, but there always that factor that you can push someone over the edge. im not saying sunshine and popsicles should be blown up each others butts day in and day out (mainly cuz it tickles), but the difference between a little elbowing and joking around is a lot different than the stuff that infractions have been given for. honestly i have not read the thread in question because it was happening while i was on vacation from some of the constant whining and complaining that happens on the board. now the blue i dont agree at all. i have moderator under my name and i dont get butt hurt or like to flex my mod muscle for anything. if i see something that in my view warrants attention i either take care of it (like when i edited that dudes post about suicide in the r.i.p. thread) or i report it and get opinions from my fellow moderators and admin. and i dont believe i have a crowd or click which is what i think you were saying. when it comes to trying to be fair and helpful im here for eveyone. i think the problem is it wasnt caught by anyone while it was going on and that is why it was over looked and it went on. i know you dont care cuz its not your nature but i enjoy you around. i enjoy dry humor and take can everything you say with a grain of salt. but the forum is still fun....... and moderators only have to do anything when they are needed by other members or to steer the site back in the proper direction.