Faith is a Mental Disease

[thorne]

Instead of going to heaven, when I die I want to be a ghost that can fuck with everyone.

rofl.

[thorne]

Who is the father of Joseph?

 

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

 

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

 

 

 

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

 

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

 

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

 

 

 

beast or man first

 

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

 

 

stalls?

How many stalls and horsemen?

 

KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

 

CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

 

Is it folly to be wise or not?

 

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

 

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

 

1 Cor.1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

 

Human vs. ghostly impregnation

 

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

 

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

 

The sins of the father

 

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

 

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

 

The bat is not a bird

 

LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

LEV 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;

LEV 11:15 Every raven after his kind;

LEV 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

LEV 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,

LEV 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,

LEV 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

 

DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.

DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,

DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,

DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,

DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,

DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

 

The bat is not a bird

 

LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

LEV 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;

LEV 11:15 Every raven after his kind;

LEV 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

LEV 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,

LEV 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,

LEV 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

 

DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.

DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,

DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,

DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,

DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,

DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

 

Snails do not melt

 

PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

 

The shape of the earth

 

ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 

MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

 

Astromical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.

 

Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt

 

GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

^ ROFL SNAKES EAT DIRT ROFLROFLROFL ^

[thorne]

Order of creation

 

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

 

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light

Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)

Day 3: Plants

Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)

Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)

Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)

Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

 

Note that there are "days," "evenings," and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim," which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good."

 

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

 

Earth and heavens (misty)

Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)

Plants

Animals

Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

 

^ this is gap theory^

 

How orderly were things created?

#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days."

#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

 

How satisfied with creation was he?

#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.

#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

 

Moses' personality

 

Num.12:3: "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth."

 

Num.31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for yourselves."

 

 

 

This is a good one!!!!!

Acts 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

 

Matt. 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field

 

 

Matt.5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

Luke6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

 

Jesus' last words

 

Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

 

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

 

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

 

Moved David to anger?

 

II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.

 

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel.

 

he GENEALOGY OF JESUS?

 

In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. Matthew 1:6-16 and Luke 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.

 

God be seen?

 

Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9

God CAN be seen:

"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)

 

God CANNOT be seen:

"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)

"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)

 

 

Tempts?

 

"And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham." (Gen 22:1)

 

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (James 1:13)

 

Ascend to heaven

 

"And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." (2 Kings 2:11)

 

"No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, ... the Son of Man." (John 3:13)

 

 

Does every man sin?

 

KI1 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

 

CH2 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

 

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

 

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

 

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

 

Who bought potter's field

 

ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

 

MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.

MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.

MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

[thorne]

Contradictions

 

The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ' father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan.

 

Of the various methods I've seen to "explain" these:

1. "That is to be taken metaphorically" In other words, what is written is not what is meant. I find this entertaining, especially for those who decide what ISN'T to be taken as other than the absolute WORD OF GOD--which just happens to agree with the particular thing they happen to want...

 

2. "There was more there than...." This is used when one verse says "there was a" and another says "there was b," so they decide there was "a" AND "b"--which is said nowhere. This makes them happy, since it doesn't say there WASN'T "a+b." But it doesn't say there was "a+b+litle green martians." This is often the same crowd that insists theirs is the ONLY possible interpretation (i.e. only "a") and the only way. I find it entertaining they they don't mind adding to verses.

 

3. "It has to be understood in context" I find this amusing because it comes from the same crowd that likes to push likewise extracted verses that support their particular view. Often it is just one of the verses in the contradictory set is suppose to be taken as THE TRUTH when if you add more to it it suddenly becomes "out of context." How many of you have goten JUST John 3:16 (taken out of all context) thrown up at you?

 

4. "there was just a copying/writing error" This is sometimes called a "transcription error," as in where one number was meant and an incorrect one was copied down. Or that what was "quoted" wasn't really what was said, but just what the author thought was said when he thought it was said. And that's right--I'm not disagreeing with events, I'm disagreeing with what is WRITTEN. Which is apparently agreed that it is incorrect. This is an amusing misdirection to the problem that the bible itself is wrong.

 

5. "That is a miracle." Naturally. That is why it is stated as fact.

 

6. "God works in mysterious ways" A useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.

[HAOLE]

Contradictions

 

The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ' father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan.

 

Of the various methods I've seen to "explain" these:

1. "That is to be taken metaphorically" In other words, what is written is not what is meant. I find this entertaining, especially for those who decide what ISN'T to be taken as other than the absolute WORD OF GOD--which just happens to agree with the particular thing they happen to want...

 

2. "There was more there than...." This is used when one verse says "there was a" and another says "there was b," so they decide there was "a" AND "b"--which is said nowhere. This makes them happy, since it doesn't say there WASN'T "a+b." But it doesn't say there was "a+b+litle green martians." This is often the same crowd that insists theirs is the ONLY possible interpretation (i.e. only "a") and the only way. I find it entertaining they they don't mind adding to verses.

 

3. "It has to be understood in context" I find this amusing because it comes from the same crowd that likes to push likewise extracted verses that support their particular view. Often it is just one of the verses in the contradictory set is suppose to be taken as THE TRUTH when if you add more to it it suddenly becomes "out of context." How many of you have goten JUST John 3:16 (taken out of all context) thrown up at you?

 

4. "there was just a copying/writing error" This is sometimes called a "transcription error," as in where one number was meant and an incorrect one was copied down. Or that what was "quoted" wasn't really what was said, but just what the author thought was said when he thought it was said. And that's right--I'm not disagreeing with events, I'm disagreeing with what is WRITTEN. Which is apparently agreed that it is incorrect. This is an amusing misdirection to the problem that the bible itself is wrong.

 

5. "That is a miracle." Naturally. That is why it is stated as fact.

 

6. "God works in mysterious ways" A useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.

 

Trying to snow job people when you still cannot answer the question I asked.

 

Now for the last time....

 

How do you know you are 100% sure you are going to heaven if the bible is full of mistakes? Remember you have told me that you are 100% sure.

 

Either answer the question or shut your trap!

[thorne]

your the one who said there ar eno contradiction please test me right now I'm in such a great fucking mood.

[thorne]

adress my points. my points are still valid.

[HAOLE]

adress my points. my points are still valid.

I asked the question 1st. Why should I continue to waste my time doing work with endless rabbit trails when you wont answer 1 question. I don't think you can answer it. That is why you are snow balling.

[thorne]

My answer is I don't know If I even care enough any more to think about it.

 

thats my answer.

 

But that does not disvalidate any of my points.

[Guest FooFooMaru]

My answer is I don't know If I even care enough any more to think about it.

 

thats my answer.

 

But that does not disvalidate any of my points.

 

I could see it as a sign of backing down. In a way. Seems like one of the people that get mad and just say nevermind because they can't answer. Sorry, not trying to be "dick-ish"

 

I respect your interest and your questions.

[thorne]

Look at my examples they are exactly what I said they are.

 

My poitns are still valid and I said I don't know if i care about heven or hell. Thats not backing down. I stand my ground on my beliefs regarding the fact you should not take the bible literal word for word.

[copperhead]

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[ImUrOBGYN]

I'll answer. I don't think heaven or hell is literal. Shit, apparently, according to the Catholic church, you can just get rid of those think whenver you deem it appropriate. For example, limbo. (If you don't know what I'm refering to, look it up, the post on here are long enough already. )

 

You know what I find strange? That god did all this shit back in the day, all these huge ass miracles, these civilization and planet changing miracles, but I just can't remember the last time I saw the ocean parted? Oh wait, yes I do. Universal Studio Tours in Hollywood. When I was 12. lol I kid, of course. But serioulsy, where is your god now?

 

Contradictions. There are quite a few and nothing can be taken literal in the bible. Therefore, and it looks like I must explain this again as it seems many of my points and questions have not been touched upon since I typed them, if the bible is open to interpretation (and it must be if it's not only written by people who had no understanding of their world but not written in a 'literal' sense, then much of the bible cannot be argued or debated with any real reverance because you as an individual, church, etc cannot know the actual truths of many events throughout the book. Supposedly, we cannot understand the works of god either, so again, how can you argue? I also find it strange and a bit disturbing that god says, fine, my son died for your sins, you only have to ask for forgiveness and you are saved (in so many words, of course) and that we have free will to make our own decisions. Basically, here's some rules, do what you want, you'll be rewarded or pay in the end. Uh, if god himself doesn't force himself on us, then why has religion as a whole done nothing but this? How many Christian rights groups, wars in the name of religion, brainwashing, etc does there have to be? And no, of course, I'm not saying all religious organizations and people are guilty of this, but I refuse to stand by while Rick attacks Thorne about his ways corrupting others and skip the aforementioned when many of those who consider themselves followers of the lord do just as much if not more damage, goddamit I've seen it, been witness to it too many times!

 

Little curious about this, too. A sin to be jealous, envious, murderous, etc. God was all these in the old testament. How is he perfect? Contradiction or does perfect mean something else in the bible to? But wait, that would mean it's open to interpretation. Looks like you'd better start back at the top of my post again.

[ImUrOBGYN]

Well, in writing the above, I forgot a couple other big points, (and may have missed some bases) but I'm sure someoen will post here and trigger the memories again. No matter how hard I try to stay out of this damn thread. I almost feel bad for starting it. I should've known better. :doh:

[HAOLE]

I refuse to stand by while Rick attacks Thorne about his ways corrupting others and skip the aforementioned when many of those who consider themselves followers of the lord do just as much if not more damage, goddamit I've seen it, been witness to it too many times!

 

School and science are not beliefs Tom Cruise.

 

Copy of the first attack on me^^^

 

 

Just just remember.... I have NEVER EVER started one of these threads. It either starts with you or Throne trying to poke fun, and belittle the word of God. I will not sit by and allow either of you to do that without defending it. All sorts of people want to corrupt the Word for many different reasons, financial, ideological, political, or religious etc. I am not sure of your reasons, and don't really care

 

If you don't like my comments, tough, stop starting threads like this. I do not compromise on this subject.

[thorne]

I do not expect you to compromise but IF I can get you to see outside of the box just for a brief moment I have enlightened you but then again I'm starting to question if I even care any more. So ehh..

 

But my points above you did not adress. I was kinda hoping you would. I was very upset when i posted the above post so I do apolgize for Directly attacking you as I try not to. I try not to as I respect you. If I did not I would not waste my time looking up things to post.

[SPLN SUX]

I beilive "faith" is the simple after math of childhood brain washing. Been there, done that. It should be illegal to introduce religion to a person untill they are 18... by that age, they have learned all about history, prehistory, and evolution in science classes, and can decide what it is they want to believe in... an invisible man that lives up in the clouds, or the fossil they found in a creek bed.

[HAOLE]

 

But my points above you did not adress. I was kinda hoping you would. I was very upset when i posted the above post so I do apolgize for Directly attacking you as I try not to. I try not to as I respect you. If I did not I would not waste my time looking up things to post.

I dont have time to look all of those up and research the Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic plus the context/lexicology/syntax of all of them. Pick a couple out you want explained I would be happy to do it.

Dont doubt God, I know you are having a rough time right now, but that is what "he" is there for.

[HAOLE]

I beilive "faith" is the simple after math of childhood brain washing. Been there, done that. It should be illegal to introduce religion to a person untill they are 18... by that age, they have learned all about history, prehistory, and evolution in science classes, and can decide what it is they want to believe in... an invisible man that lives up in the clouds, or the fossil they found in a creek bed.

Why should your parents not be able to introduce religion, many of the things you are taught in science class are as much a religion as what ever church you attend. Liberalization of America has infiltrated our schools and took the place the bible and God once held.

[thorne]

I see no problem with with religion for children as long as they have a choice with all the info infront of this info.

 

I will pick a couple rick.

[ImUrOBGYN]

Copy of the first attack on me^^^

 

 

Just just remember.... I have NEVER EVER started one of these threads. It either starts with you or Throne trying to poke fun, and belittle the word of God. I will not sit by and allow either of you to do that without defending it. All sorts of people want to corrupt the Word for many different reasons, financial, ideological, political, or religious etc. I am not sure of your reasons, and don't really care

 

If you don't like my comments, tough, stop starting threads like this. I do not compromise on this subject.

 

Oops. Guess I forgot having my own opinions about god and religion meant I was immdediately attacking them. You think I would've learned by now forming my own logical beliefs is looked down upon by the church. However, I did not mean to sound as if I was actually defending Thorne since I know you've both had some previous 'religious' encounters. More defending the hypocrisy associated with the religion you defend. (Yes, I know you're going to say you represent a "non-tainted" version, but "guilty by association" comes to mind.)

And be careful just where you place blame and who you start attacking. I've never directly attacked you or anyone else nor have I ever posted something with the intent of being rude concerning this subject. I'd rather not start now.

[SPLN SUX]

Why should your parents not be able to introduce religion, many of the things you are taught in science class are as much a religion as what ever church you attend. Liberalization of America has infiltrated our schools and took the place the bible and God once held.

 

Because as a child, youre impressionalbe, and forcing religion is easy. It becomes part of ones routine, just like brushing your teeth when you wake up, washing your hands after using the bathroom, locking the door when you leave, and looking both ways before crossing the street. If you want to teach a child how to survive and be intelligent for the first 12-15yrs, beautiful, if you want to teach a child that rock music is evil, the best TV personality is Benny Henn, youll go to hell if you have sex before youre married, and Sunday mornings are reserved for church and ONLY church, then you are walking a path no differnt than Hitler... except youre not teaching them ethnic supremecy, but religious superiority. Ill never force my kids to go to church, but if they truely want to go, i wouldnt have the least bit problem with it.

 

Bottom line is, i dont have a problem with religion... some people NEED it, to feel secure about thier life and the world they live in. I personaly dont. I get more upset when the McDonalds dow the street isnt taking credit cards than i do if the Pope has a heart attack, especially when he was a former Nazi. Thats commical. Religion itself is not the problem, the manner that which people introduce it to children is. End of the day, its a brain wash, no question.

 

Speaking of McDonalds... hash browns and burritos sound titts right now... im off!

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You want to teach a kid somehting usefull? teach them that sitting on your ass alday and drawing welfare makes you the scum of the earth. Teach them the dangers of STDs. Teach them good lane disipline while driving. Teach them how to manage money. Teach them how to put the fucking toilet seat down so they dont have to hear some whiney bitch nag at them all the time when theyre 30. Teach them that sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands. Teach them the meaning and process of taking initiative. Teach them hand to hand combat, or unarmed defence. Teach them that smoking makes you feel like shit. Teach them how to change thier own oil. Teach them how to take it like a man. Teach them why some things just never change. And for the love of all things holy i dont believe in, teach them how to act civilized, and not like some fuckin hood rat with a hat on sideways, pants hanging half way down thier ass, an talking to me like i give a fuck about how bad ass they think they are.

[SPLN SUX]

tirple ftw

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Because as a child, youre impressionalbe, and forcing religion is easy. It becomes part of ones routine, just like brushing your teeth when you wake up, washing your hands after using the bathroom, locking the door when you leave, and looking both ways before crossing the street. If you want to teach a child how to survive and be intelligent for the first 12-15yrs, beautiful, if you want to teach a child that rock music is evil, the best TV personality is Benny Henn, youll go to hell if you have sex before youre married, and Sunday mornings are reserved for church and ONLY church, then you are walking a path no differnt than Hitler... except youre not teaching them ethnic supremecy, but religious superiority. Ill never force my kids to go to church, but if they truely want to go, i wouldnt have the least bit problem with it.

 

Bottom line is, i dont have a problem with religion... some people NEED it, to feel secure about thier life and the world they live in. I personaly dont. I get more upset when the McDonalds dow the street isnt taking credit cards than i do if the Pope has a heart attack, especially when he was a former Nazi. Thats commical. Religion itself is not the problem, the manner that which people introduce it to children is. End of the day, its a brain wash, no question.

 

Speaking of McDonalds... hash browns and burritos sound titts right now... im off!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp

 

 

the young impressiobality is what bothers me. you can teach achild anything it dont matter how absurd.