TooGSX4u Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 F-22 and SU-37 are roughly equivalent in maneuverability and speed, but the Raptor is a full-stealth aircraft, and the combat avionics and their integration with our other combat intelligence assets are miles ahead of the Russians. F-22 would splash the SU-37 without the SU-37 ever knowing where the missile came from. Very true - but if you want to look at another category of Russian aircraft vs American... the Military Channel has that special every year of MiGs vs F-15s. The Germans are the only allied country to the United States with MIG-28s that will participate in simulated dog fights with American aircraft. Needless to say, the outdated MIGs seem to have outdone the Eagles thus far. Though when it comes down to the F-22 Raptor vs the SU-37... I'd put my money on the F-22 any day. Even if it was outclassed somehow, which is not the case - I'm a Marine... so our boys need all the support they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli1647545497 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 ... Needless to say, the outdated MIGs seem to have outdone the American's thus far. Come again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooGSX4u Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Come again? Fixed. Well like I said, every year they take the Eagles to Germany to fly against the Fulcrums, so far - the Fulcrums have more wins, but I really want to see a F22 vs MiG 29 SIM :] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe_no Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 obviously the Russian planes have something the Us doesnt. the Us bought 15 migs to study... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 obviously the Russian planes have something the Us doesnt. What? Drunk pilots? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe_no Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 no no no, they didnt buy pilots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 F-22 > that. A few reasons: 1. It (Su-37) is Russian, so it'll probably fall apart Actually, the Russians tend to take their Jets seriously. In a real world market, the Sukhoi is the most attractive buy.... due in no small part to the fact that it's the only one for sale (you can't buy an f22). -It's cheap, probably 1/3rd the price of the F22 -It's simple, the F22 is full of maths. Sukhoi jets can historically be fixed with a hammer and a crescent wrench. In a dog fight, who would win? We'll never know, the F22 will take it out before it's ever within visual range. Have you guys seen the actual promo videos selling the Sukhoi jets? Check out what they're shooting down, and tell me who they're marketing to. Kinda reminds me of Robotec/Macross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 so you know guys, those pics are of mig-29's, not su-37's. for the record, so is the video. They're also chops. Eh, not the one I was looking for, but, it'll work. []http://cellar.org/2002/airshow.jpg[/] Dude if that's a real pic then the Jet is 70ft long. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe_no Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 ^ sounds accurate to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 They're also chops. No. No they're not. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4db_1199679365 Dude if that's a real pic then the Jet is 70ft long. lol Ever seen a fighter up close? They ain't tiny. *ahem* MiG-29 Fulcrum Specifications Primary Function: Multi-role fighter Contractor: Mikoyan-Gurevich Crew: One Unit Cost: N/A Powerplant Two Klimov/Sarkisov RD-33 turbofans at 18,298 afterburning pounds of thrust each Dimensions Length: 56 feet and 10 inches Wingspan: 37 feet and 3.25 inches Height: 15 feet and 6.2 inches Weights Empty: 24,030 pounds Maximum Takeoff: 40,785 lb (18500 kg) -- Fulcrum-A Performance Speed: Mach 2.3 (1,520 mph) Ceiling: 55,775 ft (17000 m) -- Fulcrum-A Range: 932 miles (810 nm / 1500 km) with internal fuel -- Fulcrum-A Armament One 30mm GSh-301 cannon with 150 rounds, Six AAMs including a mix of SARH and AA-8 Aphid (R60), AA-10 Alamo (R27T), AA-11 Archer, (R73), FAB 500-M62, FAB-1000, TN-100, ECM Pods, S-24, AS-12, AS-14 It's not too far off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Here's another vid: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9d_1173547537 F-15 dimensions: Dimensions : span 42 ft 9.5 in (13.04 m); length 63 ft 9.5 in (19.44 m); height 18 ft 6 in (5.64 m); wing area 608 sq ft (56.48 sq m). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe_no Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 USSR jets own all /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slomo Eric Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Freakin nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Length: 56 feet and 10 inches Wingspan: 37 feet and 3.25 inches. Scale it out, skippy. You've got a bunch of people in the foreground. Even if the jet was on the same plane as them, the wingspan would be close to 50ft. It is, in fact, behind them, meaning hte actual length is longer than that. You've also got a larg cargo aircraft in the foreground. I have seen many jet fighters up close, they're big but not that big. Actual pic of the crashing jet? Sure Actual pic of the crowd fromthe wreck? Perhaps But they were 2 different images clipped together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Scale it out, skippy. You've got a bunch of people in the foreground. Even if the jet was on the same plane as them, the wingspan would be close to 50ft. It is, in fact, behind them, meaning hte actual length is longer than that. You've also got a larg cargo aircraft in the foreground. I have seen many jet fighters up close, they're big but not that big. Actual pic of the crashing jet? Sure Actual pic of the crowd fromthe wreck? Perhaps But they were 2 different images clipped together. So wait. First it's a whopping 70ft. long, but then when I tell you it's damn near 70ft. in real life, your first guess wasn't valid? What makes your second arguement any better? Off to make a poll to get majority opinion... p.s. You're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 So wait. First it's a whopping 70ft. long, but then when I tell you it's damn near 70ft..... 56ft isn't damn near 70ft. Also, I said wingspan @50ft, also not close to 37ft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar1647545494 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 In mother Russia, plane fly you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe_no Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 ^ we are not amused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1647545496 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 unless they re-named it for some reason thats an SU-37 and they have had it for awhile. the SU-37 is the thrust vectoring version of the SU-27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 unless they re-named it for some reason thats an SU-37 and they have had it for awhile. the SU-37 is the thrust vectoring version of the SU-27. One in the OP's video = Su-37 One I posted = Su-27 Atleast, I think. Hell, all those Russian planes look the same. P.S. - Rob, the plane takes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1647545496 Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 One in the OP's video = Su-37 One I posted = Su-27 Atleast, I think. Hell, all those Russian planes look the same. P.S. - Rob, the plane takes off. ASS of course it does, people need to learn to word stuff correctly. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 WTF.. thing handles like a fucking car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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