Mensan Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Hotwire, it is the 1st law of thermo that it is violating. Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted June 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Many of you are quick to dismiss it, yet, I'm betting many of you don't fully understand the principle or have received enough schooling to fully comment. Not to mention, almost everything mentioned here in this thread about this auto, is pure speculation. If anyone can come up with an effecient, working system, it'll be the Japanese. Not for the stereotypical reasons, but due to lack of space (it's an island), pollution, high cost of fuel, etc. Oh, and the super powers developed from the atomic bomb. And everyone knows about the guy in Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street pilot Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 This thread made me lol. This has been around since before most of the people on this board was even born.... There was a guy from Grove City that came up with this in the late 70's early 80's. He made a rail buggy run on water. If I remember right he had a meeting with the Government about his new technology and was never heard from again. Yup. Take it however you want, but I like to believe his concept was real and the government and/or another country decided they didnt want him around. http://inventorspot.com/articles/waterfueled_car_and_death_inventor_5684 http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2007/07/08/hydroman.ART_ART_07-08-07_A1_4V77MOK.html If anyone has any real proof about how this is absolutely not possible, I would love to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limitedslip7 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Perhaps I used the wrong wording here. It does not violate the 1st law of thermodynamics because it cannot. I should have said that if it worked as they say it does in the video it would violate the 1st law. The explanation they give in the video is complete and utter bullshit. Hydrogen and oxygen readily form strong covalent bonds to create a more stable compound. They WILL NOT split apart back into their less stable elemental forms without energy INPUT. ImUrOBGYN is right, I didn't understand how they could magically make water split itself apart without any other energy input or reaction, so I looked it up. The first Yahoo search I pulled up was another source covering the same story. Economic Times. This article says something quite a bit different than the video. The company said that a proprietary unit, a type of membrane electrode assembly (MEA), breaks water apart into hydrogen and oxygen using a chemical reaction, which provides fuel for a hydrogen fuel cell to run the car. Turns out it produces electricity using a hydrogen fueled fuel cell, not "electrons released when water and hydrogen are split apart :rolleyes:". That actually makes sense. the method in which hydrogen is produced by a reaction of metal hydride and water. This is actually believable as well, as metal hydrides (such as the alkaline metals) quickly react with water, combining with the oxygen and leaving oxides + hydrogen + heat as the result. The metal is consumed and MUST BE REPLENISHED for the reaction to continue. So the metal is actually the fuel and not water. Guess what gets emitted by the fuel cell? WATER! Apparently, all they did was create a more efficient fuel cell and/or method of generating the hydrogen. I'm willing to bet that the metal hydrides used are quite a bit more expensive than gasoline though. My guess is just bad reporting, maybe a language barrier issue or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limitedslip7 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 If I remember right he had a meeting with the Government about his new technology and was never heard from again. Is it possible that he was never heard from again because he was full of shit and nobody gave a damn once they realized this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Is it possible that he was never heard from again because he was full of shit and nobody gave a damn once they realized this? I guess anything is possible... But wait didn't you just say that this technology IS possible just a couple posts back? So you're agreeing with what Stan Meyers accomplished. So wouldn't that make the comments in your post "full of shit" too? You're not sounding as smart as you think you are..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limitedslip7 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hmmm... This seems to be turning into another "airplane on a treadmill" type myth. I'm not very good at explaining things, and I certainly don't think I am smart, I just really love arguing. Perhaps we could get 360Iroc's brother to explain this more in-depth? I will explain again, it is possible to "run a car on water" by extracting the hydrogen and burning it, but it takes alot of energy to do this. The explanation they give in the video is impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Hmmm... This seems to be turning into another "airplane on a treadmill" type myth. I'm not very good at explaining things, and I certainly don't think I am smart, I just really love arguing. Perhaps we could get 360Iroc's brother to explain this more in-depth? I will explain again, it is possible to "run a car on water" by extracting the hydrogen and burning it, but it takes alot of energy to do this. The explanation they give in the video is impossible. http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/fluxreplicasingle.jpg You can purchase one here. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/9fc6/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/fluxreplicasingle.jpg You can purchase one here. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/plush/9fc6/ So it must take 1.21 jigowatts for the electrolysis process to happen.... How did you figure out the secret? Wait..... It takes 1.21 jigowatts to make the flux capacitor work.... What is the output of the flux capacitor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limitedslip7 Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Bored at work and decided to read more into Stan Meyer's "accomplishments". Turns out there is a Wikipedia page on him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer There are other links at the bottom explaining some things too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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