NinjaNick Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Motorcycle Exhausts Jun 07, 2007 From a press release issued by AMA: New Denver Noise Law Allows Tickets for Having Aftermarket Exhaust Systems PICKERINGTON, Ohio - The American Motorcyclist Association has expressed serious concerns about a new law passed by the Denver City Council that essentially requires all riders in the city to use only stock exhaust systems on their motorcycles. On June 4, Denver officials approved changes to the city's vehicle noise ordinance that allow police to issue tickets to riders if their bikes don't have a federal Environmental Protection Agency sound-certification label on the exhaust systems. The new ordinance, which takes effect July 1, would apply to all motorcycles made since 1982, which was the first year that federal law required motorcycles sold in the U.S. to comply with EPA sound regulations. In practical terms, that means the bike would have to have the original exhaust system installed by the manufacturer. Violators would have two weeks to prove to a judge that they have fixed the problem or would be forced to pay a $500 fine. Previously, the Denver ordinance required all motor vehicles to pass a sound test that set a limit of 80 decibels at 25 feet. That type of performance standard remains in effect for cars and trucks, except that the allowable limits have been raised. Under the new ordinance, vehicles with a gross weight rating under 10,000 pounds couldn't exceed 82 db(A) at 25 feet, and trucks over 10,000 pounds couldn't exceed 90 db(A) at 50 feet. Only motorcycles would be subject to the EPA sound certification labeling requirement. "We understand the motivation for cities to pass laws controlling sound levels from traffic," said Ed Moreland, AMA Vice President for Government Relations. "But the approach being taken in Denver creates a special class of enforcement that unfairly targets motorcyclists. Loud trucks and cars are every bit as annoying as loud motorcycles, but only motorcyclists would be subject to this new provision of the labeling law." To understand the restrictions being imposed on motorcyclists, Moreland asked car drivers to consider the impact if Denver city officials had instead required stock mufflers on cars, making it illegal for Denver drivers to buy replacement exhaust systems from companies like Midas or Meineke. "That would force everyone who drives a Ford to return to the Ford dealer and get the exact replacement muffler every time their exhaust system wore out," he noted. The AMA's position on the new Denver ordinance got support June 7 in an editorial in the Rocky Mountain News which stated: "As more than one critic of the ordinance ... noted, it just doesn't appear ready for prime time." Several years ago, the city of Albuquerque, New Mexico, passed a similar certification ordinance affecting motorcyclists there. Motorcyclist groups, included the AMA, worked with city officials for two years before that provision was rescinded and the city went back to a performance-based sound standard. The AMA has a decades-long history of opposition to excessive motorcycle sound, and has hosted national summits on the subject that have brought together riders, manufacturers, aftermarket companies, law-enforcement officers and government officials. Those summits have resulted in the development of "Sound Advice," a document that represents the motorcycle community's response to this contentious issue. Among the groups that have supported that effort is ABATE of Colorado, which has issued a position paper warning riders that they could face this kind of discriminatory enforcement because of growing public complaints about traffic sound levels. The AMA is contacting Denver City Council members in hopes of opening up a dialogue on this topic before enforcement of the new law begins on July 1. "We look forward to working with the Denver City Council to come up with a more reasonable solution for dealing with excessive sound levels from traffic," Moreland said. "Our experience has shown that there are a range of approaches cities can take to this issue without imposing restrictive laws on motorcyclists." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Ever had a Hardly-Ableson rider pass your house at 3:00am? I can understand where they're coming from and I'm sure that the problem lies with straight-piped hogs.They're fucking it up for us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectorvictor Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Dont buy a house sitting next to 270 and then bitch about loud vehicles..No straight pipes on my bike just vance and hines 2 inch glass packs...thats loud enough........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 You only hear my exhaust for a second so it doesn't matter anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleCock Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 fucking hippies trying to ruin my fun...wish they would just get high and leave me alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Dont buy a house sitting next to 270 and then bitch about loud vehicles..No straight pipes on my bike just vance and hines 2 inch glass packs...thats loud enough........I'm not even close to a highway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrome Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 yea i'm thinking that this is some dumb shit. i think that we all need to make a trip there and just cruise threw their little town in first going maybe 45-50. get the revs up a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Some are just too loud period. And the riders with real loud exhausts don't seem to have any consideration for those around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbret Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I'd say if they are going to make some kind of Db restriction just set it as all bike cannot be over ??Db that way all the hog & chopper riders will have to add 50lbs of mufflers to their chrome wagons or the sport bikes can do what we do & still make less noise than the chrome riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectorvictor Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I'm not even close to a highway.Sorry Nick I wasnt saying that to you but to THEM IDIOTS OUT THERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vectorvictor Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Tell you what... I will pull the cans out of my three inch megaphone mufflers and ride up and down the mayors street and see how many windows I can break.... It sound like a V-twin Top fuel bike... hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudPops Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 And to think Clutch and both of his sisters were born there! No wonder we live here now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samhain138 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Ever had a Hardly-Ableson rider pass your house at 3:00am? I can understand where they're coming from and I'm sure that the problem lies with straight-piped hogs.They're fucking it up for us all.I dont agree. Sportbike exhausts can be loud as fuck. As previously posted, just go 55 mph in first and if you have a good aftermarket exhaust its louder than hell. I know that if you do 104mph in 1st gear with a full Akrapovic exhaust on a 10R, it will wake the dead. After all loud pipes save lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I dont agree. Sportbike exhausts can be loud as fuck. As previously posted, just go 55 mph in first and if you have a good aftermarket exhaust its louder than hell. I know that if you do 104mph in 1st gear with a full Akrapovic exhaust on a 10R, it will wake the dead. After all loud pipes save lives.Really? Have you ever heard a Harley idle compared to a jap bike? Loud when they're not even moving. They're revlimiter isn't even close to ours either. Sportbikes going down my 25mph neighborhood street are around 5-6k rpms; not even loud enough to drain out a Harley idling in a driveway. Now, a Harley would be around 4k rpm and loud as hell! Not many people go 104mph on your 10r in a 25mph zone in a neighborhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samhain138 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I understand what your sayin, but its not all harley riders. Thats stereotypical. Ive never gone 100+ in a residential either, but sportbike exhausts can be really loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC51 John Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Time to try and fake an EPA sound certification label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I understand what your sayin, but its not all harley riders. Thats stereotypical. Ive never gone 100+ in a residential either, but sportbike exhausts can be really loud.I'm a sterotypical guy. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ace140 Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 I'm glad I don't live in DENVER!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
900Z1 Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Looks like Denver should start with Church Bells, there louder than any Exhaust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HayabusaRider Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 I did notice that when I bought my first yoshi pipe years ago I was able to get it straight with no baffle. But last year I could not get them to leave it out no matter how much I tried.... Maybe they saw this coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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