SinisterSS Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 anyone else hear about this today? I heard at work on CNN that it was cancelled, said Obama and other gov officials want the F-35 to be our military plane of the future, the F-22 cost too much to build and maintain as the F-35 is cheaper, carries more of a payload, and is far more advanced, I knew the F-35 was a go, but I had no idea the F-22 was gonna get the axe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 No way! Awesome plane! Let me look into this F-35...I know nothing on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterSS Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 No way! Awesome plane! Let me look into this F-35...I know nothing on it. the F-35 is a sweet aircraft, but I don't think it has thrust vectoring like the F-22, but it can do vertical take offs like the AV-8 Harrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 The F-35 is probably a smarter choice, as much as I hate to say it. It is more of a multi-role craft, where as the F-22 seems to be pretty much a straight up fighter craft. When's the last time a U.S. bird was in a dogfight? Still, I hate to see it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnman Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Would you take laser guns into a battle against cavemen?. yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentStateTsi Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 $17 billion to build 7 of the newest generation F-22's. And we barely use them in theatre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterSS Posted July 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 the russians are building some pretty sweet 5th generation fighters(T-50), and didn't we do a training excercise against the indian air force using our F15's against russian built fighters? here's an article I found about it: The first 12 aircraft of the F-22 Raptor advanced tactical fighter entered service with the U.S. Air Force in mid-January 2006. The delivery of the new U.S. fighter triggered a heated debate regarding the U.S. technological superiority over the armies of other countries. Russia has traditionally built military equipment on a par with U.S.-made military machines. At times Russian military equipment exceeded the American one in terms of combat efficiency. In the meantime, Russia is about to complete a new fighter capable of competing against the F-22 Raptor. Experts say that the F-22 Raptor is a milestone in the development of the U.S. Air Force. The fighter is equipped with the radar that uses an active electronically scanned antenna array of 2,000 transmitter/receive modules, which provides agility, low radar cross-section, and bandwidth. The F-22 Raptor can fly at sustained supersonic speeds without the use of afterburner. The aircraft has a high multi-mission capability in ground attack as well as air-to-air roles. The U.S. military information website Strategypage released a previously unpublished report by now defunct British Defense Evaluation and Research Agency. The report says that the F-22 Raptor is superior to Russia’s newest Su-35 fighter. A real combat casualty ratio between the F-22 and the Su-35 would be 1 by 10 at the very least. However, the report did trigger a gusher of euphoria in the U.S. One F-22 Raptor costs $133.1 million while one Su-35 costs $30-$38 million. Even the U.S. can not afford such huge costs. To save up $2.6 billion for funding 180 F-22’s, the Pentagon has already cut 33 reconnaissance aircraft U-2 Dragon Lady, 55 strike aircraft F-117 Stealth (the entire fleet), and 76 passenger aircraft C-21 Learjet. The military also reduced the fleet of bombers B-52 Stratofortress by 40 percent. The USAF had an initial plan for purchasing 648 aircraft. The F-22 Raptor was originally built for combat against similar enemy aircraft, which were built only in the Soviet Union/Russia. The lack of the enemy resulted in a decrease of the number of F-22’s purchased by the Pentagon. The USAF has recently conducted a joint exercise with the Indian Air Force. The U.S. F-15C/D’s simulated combat against several Russian-made Su-30MKi, MiG-27, MiG-29 and even pretty obsolete MiG-21 Bison, which defeated the U.S. “Eagles” totally and utterly. U.S. General Hal Homburg, head of the USAF Air Combat Command, said that the result of the exercise was a big surprise to the American pilots. Commander in Chief of the Russian Air Force Vladimir Mikhailov said recently that Russia’s reply to the “American miracle” would be on the wing at the end of 2006. The demonstration prototype aircraft, designated I-21, has been successfully tested in a wind tunnel. The aircraft’s avionics and engine were on display at last year’s air and space show in Zhukovsky, near Moscow. Russian designers maintain that the avionics and engine of the new aircraft are not worse, and probably even better than those used in the U.S. aicraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 $44,000/hour to operate one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 OFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 OFN The senate voted down funding at 1pm today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 read fark.com you noobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 read fark.com you noobs More links for the noobs. Bonus points if you setup an RSS reader on your mobile phone and read the shit there. http://www.slashdot.org http://www.fark.com http://www.cnn.com http://www.washingtonpost.com news.google.com I could go on but you catch the drift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 read fark.com you noobs I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. They had been debating it for a while, but a decision was not made until today at 1 pm. Congress wanted more, SecDef Gates said no. They were fighting about it, took a vote today at 1, and then came to a conclusion that the program would be cut. So, that means, the program was not cut until 1pm today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1647545496 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 The F-35 is probably a smarter choice, as much as I hate to say it. It is more of a multi-role craft, where as the F-22 seems to be pretty much a straight up fighter craft. When's the last time a U.S. bird was in a dogfight? Still, I hate to see it go. multi-role craft theres another history mistake waiting to happen remember the phantom maybe we sould take the cannon off of it also. that being said i do think the f-35 is still more on the fighter side of things F-16 > multi-role FA-18 does anyone know the radar signiture difference between the F-22 and F-35 and can it cruise supersonic without afterburners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 F22 is an awsome aircraft. It sucks that they are ditching it though. I guess air superiority fighters are just not needed anymore when they have mulitroll fighters that can do it's job and cheaper. It is like the F15s vs the F16s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinHawk1647545499 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/f35/f16-f35-f22.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1647545496 Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 F-16 is still way sexier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Not surprising, the F-22 program has been in development a very long time, lots of technologies have came out of it and likely a lot more tech than we get to know about. So someone found a cheaper way to do it and hopefully this will mean superior product unlike the phantom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuicedH22 Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 They have been talking about it in aviation news for months... The obama administration also wants to cancel the F136 (GE/Rolls alternative engine for the F35). Which is scary as hell for me, considering I am a design engineer on the program, so if it gets hacked, so does my job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 I'm betting the only reason the F35 is so cheap in comparison is that it is using all the technologies developed for the F22.. Development of that kind of stuff cost big $$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt B. Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 F-35, ugly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got-Boost? Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 anyone else hear about this today? I heard at work on CNN that it was cancelled, said Obama and other gov officials want the F-35 to be our military plane of the future, the F-22 cost too much to build and maintain as the F-35 is cheaper, carries more of a payload, and is far more advanced, I knew the F-35 was a go, but I had no idea the F-22 was gonna get the axe Where are you getting this info? The F-35 can't do a LOT of stuff the Raptor does. The only thing even close to the truth is that it's cheaper (even that is debatable because the complete cost of the F-35 program isn't finished)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Where are you getting this info? The F-35 can't do a LOT of stuff the Raptor does. The only thing even close to the truth is that it's cheaper (even that is debatable because the complete cost of the F-35 program isn't finished)... It will look cheaper because the program likely uses some stuff from other programs mainly the F-22. They'll just roll it into the F-35 program on the books and it will look like a much better deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 F-35, ugly +1 on the ugly factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I was at WPAFB yesterday and F-15s were all over the sky having fun....It was awesome!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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