87GT Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Anyone read this yet? Someone on facebook sent it to me http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/call_this_horror_by_its_name_islamist_HT78Wt6NkWoCGq5HIOwlII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Sitting and awaiting for FiveSeven to be pushed to be banned again. Come on value! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/3103107639_5a6bff9532.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Sitting and awaiting for FiveSeven to be pushed to be banned again. Come on value! Shirley, you aren't serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Shirley, you aren't serious? Don't call me Shirley! I man can dream... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfocus1647545489 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Sitting and awaiting for FiveSeven to be pushed to be banned again. Come on value! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/3103107639_5a6bff9532.jpg OMG scary plastic gun! Let's all fear it and call it a Cop Killer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 OMG scary plastic gun! Let's all fear it and call it a Cop Killer! Hey, it's already worth more than I paid for it new. Let them morons continue their tirade. On a related note, did you know it can eliminate entire countries with 1 clip ? Spread that around! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Agreed with the author of that article. The US needs to get back to its ways of non Political Correctness. Its impeding real progress and making us look like a bunch of pussies on the world scene. I would rather be mildly racist and save some lives rather than wonder if abdula abudula bukkake mohammed is going to get all butt hurt if I call his ass out for being a terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfocus1647545489 Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Agreed with the author of that article. The US needs to get back to its ways of non Political Correctness. Its impeding real progress and making us look like a bunch of pussies on the world scene. I would rather be mildly racist and save some lives rather than wonder if abdula abudula bukkake mohammed is going to get all butt hurt if I call his ass out for being a terrorist. +1 Whether your name is Tim McVey or Abdula Abdula Etc., a terrorist is a terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Apparently the weapon used was an FN57. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I beleive that it is a pistol that fires what appear to be rifle cartridges? Anyone? It's a pretty tiny round. Only guns that I know of that use it are the FN FiveseveN and the FN P90 smg (and whatever their equivalent semi auto civilian model is). There's been a lot of crying about it because it works like a rifle round, but is used it pistols. This is because rifle rounds are smaller diameter than handgun rounds and fire at a higher velocity in order to travel further. This design means that pretty much any rifle round out there is capable of defeating light body armor, due to the fact that they are designed to stop large diameter, low velocity handgun rounds. While the 5.7 is capable of penetrating body armor, it tends to not do shit once its through since it's not all that powerful, and its very small. I want to say that some of the deaths there were from friendly fire, but I can't find any numbers to back that up. Either way, 30 injured but not killed is pretty amazing, could have been way worse with a different kind of gun, and its probably fair to say that the only people involved in this that would have been wearing armor were the police officers, and the reports are stating that only two of the people killed were civilians. Considering the guy reportedly fired off 100 rounds or more, and around 44 people were actually shot, I'd say the round is pretty well worthless. Oh, and as for the CIA/FBI/DHS/whatever knowing about him and his ways months ago - that's fine, but without him actually doing anything illegal, there's nothing they could have legally done. I know this is a tragedy, but I agree with their inaction, as it falls in line with the protections laid out by the constitution. Preemptive action has no place here. I think the most fitting punishment would be to force him to do his job, just without a gun or armor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 It's a pretty tiny round. Only guns that I know of that use it are the FN FiveseveN and the FN P90 smg (and whatever their equivalent semi auto civilian model is). There's been a lot of crying about it because it works like a rifle round, but is used it pistols. This is because rifle rounds are smaller diameter than handgun rounds and fire at a higher velocity in order to travel further. This design means that pretty much any rifle round out there is capable of defeating light body armor, due to the fact that they are designed to stop large diameter, low velocity handgun rounds. While the 5.7 is capable of penetrating body armor, it tends to not do shit once its through since it's not all that powerful, and its very small. I want to say that some of the deaths there were from friendly fire, but I can't find any numbers to back that up. Either way, 30 injured but not killed is pretty amazing, could have been way worse with a different kind of gun, and its probably fair to say that the only people involved in this that would have been wearing armor were the police officers, and the reports are stating that only two of the people killed were civilians. Considering the guy reportedly fired off 100 rounds or more, and around 44 people were actually shot, I'd say the round is pretty well worthless. As for the guy that did it, I think the most fitting punishment would be to force him to do his job, just without a gun or armor... We need some land to go shooting on and some stuffs to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Check and check. And you quoted me before my final edit. What's the point in quoting the post directly above you, anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Check and check. And you quoted me before my final edit. What's the point in quoting the post directly above you, anyway? Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 Huh? What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 More updates on this: Here is a copy of this guys business card, note the "SoA" circled. It stands for Soldier of Allah. Christ, I cannot believe shit like this slips through the cracks. More shit is coming out about this guy sending money to Pakistan as well... http://a.abcnews.com/images/Blotter/abc_nidal_hasan_business_card2_091112_mn.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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