John Bruh Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 I really really want an AR-10, but after looking at the prices of these I don't want to pay 2k for one. So I want an ar-15. Now I really don't know much about the two other than the ar-10 is chambered for a .308. So what are the things to look for? Which brand should i buy? What are good aftermarket parts to put on them? How much should I expect to spend? I figured ill just buy an ar-15 then a nice .308 rifle with a match grade barrel and stock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 You won't fit everything there is to know about AR's into one thread. Your best option is to go to AR15.com and/or M4carbine.net and read, read, read. I suggest browsing through the picture threads to get an idea of what you might like, if you don't really know what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Also, do you have a particular purpose for this rifle, or just because you want one. AR's can be build or bought in a multitude of configurations. -P.S.- AR-10s aren't always chambered in .308. Traditionally, I believe they were. But now, they come in all sorts of calibers, most based off the .308 parent case. Also, Not all .308-based ARs are AR-10s. DPMS (as well as a few others that run similar designs) has another .308-style AR, that nothing like the AR-10 series. Parts are not interchangable for the most part. I also belive that RRA is coming out with yet a 3rd style. Just an FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 (edited) Also, do you have a particular purpose for this rifle, or just because you want one. AR's can be build or bought in a multitude of configurations. -P.S.- AR-10s aren't always chambered in .308. Traditionally, I believe they were. But now, they come in all sorts of calibers, most based off the .308 parent case. Also, Not all .308-based ARs are AR-10s. DPMS (as well as a few others that run similar designs) has another .308-style AR, that nothing like the AR-10 series. Parts are not interchangable for the most part. I also belive that RRA is coming out with yet a 3rd style. Just an FYI. the purpose is just to have a sweet rifle to go out and shoot thats extremely accurate, and in case of zombies! I i also want to start collecting guns and this is the next one i want followed by a nice .308 bolt action, ak, a snub nose....those are the next few but i want a compat rifle. Ill post some pics of what i want the finished rifle to look like. so give me specs on what exaclty they have on them if you can. http://i28.tinypic.com/2hodwuu.jpg http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator%2010X7/2942wky.jpg http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/kcolg30/mini5K.jpg http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/kcolg30/all.jpg Like this is what i want idealy a nice ar with a nice bolt action rifle http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp252/stareandwonder09/SANY0715.jpg this is just bad as fuck with the launcher http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/3257019050_b75570dfde_b.jpg Edited December 19, 2009 by nurkvinny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 the purpose is just to have a sweet rifle to go out and shoot thats extremely accurate, and in case of zombies! I Since you don't have anything specific in mind, I'm probably just buy a standard M4gery, some mags, and ammo, and go from there. Add accessories as you feel you need them (please don't rice it out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/mfingar/12-eb.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 M4gery of some sort. LMT SOPMOD/Crane stock Some sort of AimPoint optic Some sort of BUIS (back up iron sight) Vltor CAS-V forearm Pmag Can't remember who makes that grip. I think that's a Vicker's sling http://i28.tinypic.com/2hodwuu.jpg Unsure of the lower LMT SOPMOD stock MagPul grip EOtech sight MagPul enhanced trigger guard Pmag Tango Down VFG SureFire light MagPul rail covers Unsure of the rail make FDE accessories (Flat dark earth) http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Alpha-Romeo3/Hunting%20Operator%2010X7/2942wky.jpg S&W M&P lower cheapo M4 stock EOtech on a Larue mount magnifier on a Larue mount Larue rail Troy BUIS (I think) F+R Tango Down rail covers Harris Bipod w/ Larue mount 20rd. Pmag Larue VFG http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/kcolg30/mini5K.jpg More to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Standard M4gery, M&P15 EOtech optic w/ magnifier USGI mag http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/kcolg30/all.jpg Viking Tactical forearm Spike's Tactical havoc 37mm flare launcher http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/3257019050_b75570dfde_b.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Standard M4gery, M&P15 EOtech optic w/ magnifier USGI mag http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/kcolg30/all.jpg What would be my expected cost on something like this. are the m&p lowers good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Summary The "ideal rifle" as described above is an AR-15 with a short (14.5 or 16) lightweight or M4-contoured barrel with 1/7 or 1/9 twist (latter preferred), flash hider, M4 collapsible stock, A1 carry handle receiver (with A2 aperture). Options can include illuminated optical sight and a weapon-mounted light. A scope can re-balance a front-heavy rifle (caused by tactical light). This configuration gives the greatest flexibility under a variety of conditions, and performs its duties as well as or better than any alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Summary The "ideal rifle" as described above is an AR-15 with a short (14.5 or 16) lightweight or M4-contoured barrel with 1/7 or 1/9 twist (latter preferred), flash hider, M4 collapsible stock, A1 carry handle receiver (with A2 aperture). Options can include illuminated optical sight and a weapon-mounted light. A scope can re-balance a front-heavy rifle (caused by tactical light). This configuration gives the greatest flexibility under a variety of conditions, and performs its duties as well as or better than any alternative. A 14.5" barrel will cause you to have to obtain a Class II license atleast. I really enjoy my S&W M&P15's personally. It's pretty damn close to MILSPEC as far as overall construction. When and IF you do pick one up, there's probably a million video's on YOUTUBE on how to tear down an AR15. It's one of the easiest weapons to understand IMO, but I see many people out there that honestly don't know how to shoot them. Just remember nose on the charging handle when shooting, to insure a proper sight picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 i belive in that article i read they stated that if having a barrell under 16" it has to have a fixed compressor to make it at least 16" in length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Under 16" you either have to apply to the ATF for a stamp for a short barrel rifle, or yes you can get a barrel with a permanently attached fake suppressor, but that's stupid. No point in sacrificing barrel length just to have something worthless still sticking off the end. Most of those rifles you posted probably cost at least 2 grand, lots of fancy pants aftermarket parts there. And I promise you none of those are "lightweight" What exactly are you wanting to do with this gun? You said something about for when zombies come, so it sounds like you want something you could actually fight with. If that's the case, you want it as light as possible. Flattop, with an Aimpoint or EOtech on top, skip the bipod, 16" barrel, front grip is personal preference, I don't see the point in them myself, get a decent sling, and don't worry about getting a free floating handguard. If you want a long range sniper, well I'd say just get a .308 bolt gun. But if you are wanting to do it with this platform, then do pretty much the opposite of what I said above. Get a longer barrel and a better trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Realistically you need to get comfortable with the rifle before going ape shit on it personally. You could spend 3 grand on the most kitted out AR on the market, and still not hit fuckin broad side of a barn. Nothing against people buying AR15's, but a majority have no fucking clue as how to operate an AR15, let alone even shoot the damn thing. Many times on the range have I seen folks no be able to clear jams, break apart their weapon, or even shoot worth a shit. Most AR's are very capable of grouping within 2" @ 100 yards. If you can blow the center out of a standard military zero target, you need help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 ive shot many ar's my buddy has 4of them i can shoot them fine, im just uneducated about the parts, costs, and other things of building one up. I guess i will just start looking for a regular M4gery and then mod it after once im more familiar with the gun side note, i just saw a bunch of stuff about the AR-15 Pistols. How would you be able to have one of these since the barrells are so short? Are they different requirements or do you have to have a license? example: http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/Stylensky/DSCN1135.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 side note, i just saw a bunch of stuff about the AR-15 Pistols. How would you be able to have one of these since the barrells are so short? Are they different requirements or do you have to have a license? Because it's considered a pistol, and pistols don't have barrel length restrictions. Add a stock (or VFG) to it, and you'd need a tax stamp. Any common schmoe can own an AR-pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Because it's considered a pistol, and pistols don't have barrel length restrictions. Add a stock (or VFG) to it, and you'd need a tax stamp. Any common schmoe can own an AR-pistol. more infomation on these tax stamps please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 more infomation on these tax stamps please. The National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 put measures in place to make it harder for the common citizen to purchase/own 'unique/gangster' weapons. Basically, the government was trying to make it difficult for gangsters to obtain certain weapons (such as shortbarreled rifles/shotguns, suppressors, machine guns, AOWs, etc.). To do this, they made it so that the common citizen, in order to own such a weapon, had to jump through a few hoops. If you completed all of these tasks, you were issued a tax stamp, and you could now, legally, own such a weapon. Basically, the process is this: -Figure out what you want -Fill out neccessary Forms (Form 1 if you're building it, Form 4 if you're buying/transferring it). There are a couple routes you can take with these forms, but that's a whole 'nother subject. -Get CLEO (chief law enforcement officer) to sign off on form (if you go the normal route). -Send form + $200 certified check + passport photo + hardcopy of finger prints to BATFE. -BATFE will run background check on you -Wait -Wait -Wait -3-6 months later, BATFE should send back your completed form with an NFA 'stamp' on it; the $200 you paid was the 'tax' for the stamp. -Build or take possession of your new NFA item. It's giant pain in the ass, but usually worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 The National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 put measures in place to make it harder for the common citizen to purchase/own 'unique/gangster' weapons. Basically, the government was trying to make it difficult for gangsters to obtain certain weapons (such as shortbarreled rifles/shotguns, suppressors, machine guns, AOWs, etc.). To do this, they made it so that the common citizen, in order to own such a weapon, had to jump through a few hoops. If you completed all of these tasks, you were issued a tax stamp, and you could now, legally, own such a weapon. Basically, the process is this: -Figure out what you want -Fill out neccessary Forms (Form 1 if you're building it, Form 4 if you're buying/transferring it). There are a couple routes you can take with these forms, but that's a whole 'nother subject. -Get CLEO (chief law enforcement officer) to sign off on form (if you go the normal route). -Send form + $200 certified check + passport photo + hardcopy of finger prints to BATFE. -BATFE will run background check on you -Wait -Wait -Wait -3-6 months later, BATFE should send back your completed form with an NFA 'stamp' on it; the $200 you paid was the 'tax' for the stamp. -Build or take possession of your new NFA item. It's giant pain in the ass, but usually worth it. now with getting a tax stamp do you have to get this done everytime a weapon needs it (like pay the 200 every time) or do they give you an alloted time...ie. like this is good for 1yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 If you are bored, and want to read more about it, here's some material for you: -NFA (Covers Title II items) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act -Brady Bill = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act -GCA (Covers Title I items) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 -Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (governs machine gun ownage) = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act That oughta keep you busy for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 now with getting a tax stamp do you have to get this done everytime a weapon needs it (like pay the 200 every time) or do they give you an alloted time...ie. like this is good for 1yr. 1 stamp for each item. Take possession or build it whenever you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 what about this for a starter http://www.snipercountrypx.com/pc-5182-1108-stag-arms-model-8-piston-carbine-556-nato.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Looks fine, but it's a gas piston system. You could get the same gun, only cheper if you went gas/direct impingement. Do you really need a gas piston system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 BTW, damn near any AR you buy these days will be sufficient. I can't really think of any 'bad ones'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bruh Posted December 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Looks fine, but it's a gas piston system. You could get the same gun, only cheper if you went gas/direct impingement. Do you really need a gas piston system? what are the differences? Idk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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