Fonzie Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I guess I'm reading your article wrong Justin, and don't see the contradiction. The Bishop said no "Get outta jail free card", the spokesman for the diocese is only going to the game later in the day, thereby not missing any afternoon observations, and the team spokesman who's catholic said he has no problem giving up the dogs for the daySo where's your issue? Besides your admission of fishin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 My issue is that it made the news, and the people that aren't as devout as the Bishop, yet still claim to be Catholics requested a special dispensation so they could enjoy their hot dogs. The Bishop didn't grant it, but these people have their 'own way' of forgiving themselves for it so they feel less guilty about themselves.Are they followers or not? Or are they just religious when its convenient for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 My issue is that it made the news, and the people that aren't as devout as the Bishop, yet still claim to be Catholics requested a special dispensation so they could enjoy their hot dogs. The Bishop didn't grant it, but these people have their 'own way' of forgiving themselves for it so they feel less guilty about themselves.Are they followers or not? Or are they just religious when its convenient for them?more often than not, its when its convenient for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Key words being "more often than not" - hence what turns off most of the atheists and agnostics to the thought of religion. Hypocrisy, I exclaim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 i believe in fairy tales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbarron77 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 i believe in fairy talesMe too! Except the majority of fairy tales I know, begin with "Dear Penthouse"....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Key words being "more often than not" - hence what turns off most of the atheists and agnostics to the thought of religion. Hypocrisy, I exclaim!I posted in a thread here a long time ago about how religious people are the biggest hypocrits in todays society. I'm guilty of being a cafeteria christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Any insight as to why? What's the point if everyone's attitude is "do as I say, not as I do"? Or, if not that attitude, why bother with organized religion at all? There are other groups/programs that serve the same "community" functions as a church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benyen Soljax Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 love me a good frank. the plumper, the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Any insight as to why? What's the point if everyone's attitude is "do as I say, not as I do"? Or, if not that attitude, why bother with organized religion at all? There are other groups/programs that serve the same "community" functions as a church.Look around at the cities. Where are most of the churches located? Poor areas. Why? Poor people want something to make themselves feel better about their current situation. I dont think I come off as "do as I say" I dont act much different at church than what you have seen. Minus the foul language and sheep/ghey talk of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 ...then you haven't found a church that accepts you for you. Except for the Ohio Riders Church of Latter Day Squids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 ...then you haven't found a church that accepts you for you. Except for the Ohio Riders Church of Latter Day Squids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmoosego Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 yeah i dont have any clue what im talking about... i was only raised catholic and went to catholic school... what happened to matthew 7:1 its ok though, later it says judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.i agree with your point about if they were faithful why would they be at a ballgame... i was just responding to his post about not being able to eat meat, and pointing out that all religions tell you what is acceptable and what is not.obviously i dont think that every catholic on earth eats fish on fridays, or that there has never been a jew who ate a bacon cheeseburger, or a muslim who ate some sausages. tithe is from an old english word teogothian which means "tenth" actually the american catholics are the only ones that do the whole fish on fridays thing these days.... and as far as practical catholics, if you don't attend mass regularly, or subscribe to the tenets of the church implicitly, you aren't considered a "practical Catholic" I am one who follows implicitly, attend mass regularly, and live my life accordingly to the best of my ability ... I never implied you didn't know anything, I was impling that those who were just slamming on those who are catholic didn't have a clue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmoosego Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Key words being "more often than not" - hence what turns off most of the atheists and agnostics to the thought of religion. Hypocrisy, I exclaim!I had fish for lunch today.... and I'm on my way to mass... therefore I am not a hipocrite... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAMBUSA Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I had fish for lunch today.... and I'm on my way to mass... therefore I am not a hipocrite...I'm not Catholic, so does that make me a hypocrite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I had fish for lunch today.... and I'm on my way to mass... therefore I am not a hipocrite...Speaking of fish... one of my coworkers (12 yrs of Catholic school) asked if I knew the real story behind the eating fish deal?He said that the Pope's brother had a monopoly on the fish market in the Vatican - and that's how it originated. Any truth to that? I didn't bother looking it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 ^^shoulda had a monopoly in fresh wieners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 love me a good frank. the plumper, the better Must...resist....temptation...of...gheying....up!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Speaking of fish... one of my coworkers (12 yrs of Catholic school) asked if I knew the real story behind the eating fish deal?He said that the Pope's brother had a monopoly on the fish market in the Vatican - and that's how it originated. Any truth to that? I didn't bother looking it up.I've heard a similar story for forever......Something about the fish market being depressed, and the church bailing it out. Boston perhaps??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmoosego Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Speaking of fish... one of my coworkers (12 yrs of Catholic school) asked if I knew the real story behind the eating fish deal?He said that the Pope's brother had a monopoly on the fish market in the Vatican - and that's how it originated. Any truth to that? I didn't bother looking it up.actually no.... I will look up the history of the lenten obsevances, and get back to you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmoosego Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I'm not Catholic, so does that make me a hypocrite?no.... it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 ...then you haven't found a church that accepts you for you. Except for the Ohio Riders Church of Latter Day SquidsHa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmoosego Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Lent is a special time of prayer, penance, sacrifice and good works in preparation of the celebration of Easter. In the desire to renew the liturgical practices of the Church, The Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy of Vatican Council II stated, "The two elements which are especially characteristic of Lent — the recalling of baptism or the preparation for it, and penance — should be given greater emphasis in the liturgy and in liturgical catechesis. It is by means of them that the Church prepares the faithful for the celebration of Easter, while they hear God's word more frequently and devote more time to prayer" (no. 109). The word Lent itself is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words lencten, meaning "Spring," and lenctentid, which literally means not only "Springtide" but also was the word for "March," the month in which the majority of Lent falls. Since the earliest times of the Church, there is evidence of some kind of Lenten preparation for Easter. For instance, St. Irenaeus (d. 203) wrote to Pope St. Victor I, commenting on the celebration of Easter and the differences between practices in the East and the West: "The dispute is not only about the day, but also about the actual character of the fast. Some think that they ought to fast for one day, some for two, others for still more; some make their ‘day’ last 40 hours on end. Such variation in the observance did not originate in our own day, but very much earlier, in the time of our forefathers" (Eusebius, History of the Church, V, 24). When Rufinus translated this passage from Greek into Latin, the punctuation made between "40" and "hours" made the meaning to appear to be "40 days, twenty-four hours a day." The importance of the passage, nevertheless, remains that since the time of "our forefathers" — always an expression for the apostles — a 40-day period of Lenten preparation existed. However, the actual practices and duration of Lent were still not homogenous throughout the Church.Lent becomes more regularized after the legalization of Christianity in A.D. 313. The Council of Nicea (325), in its disciplinary canons, noted that two provincial synods should be held each year, "one before the 40 days of Lent." St. Athanasius (d. 373) in this "Festal Letters" implored his congregation to make a 40-day fast prior to the more intense fasting of Holy Week. St. Cyril of Jerusalem (d. 386) in his Catechectical Lectures, which are the paradigm for our current RCIA programs, had 18 pre-baptismal instructions given to the catechumens during Lent. St. Cyril of Alexandria (d. 444) in his series of "Festal Letters" also noted the practices and duration of Lent, emphasizing the 40-day period of fasting. Finally, Pope St. Leo (d. 461) preached that the faithful must "fulfill with their fasts the Apostolic institution of the 40 days," again noting the apostolic origins of Lent. One can safely conclude that by the end of the fourth century, the 40-day period of Easter preparation known as Lent existed, and that prayer and fasting constituted its primary spiritual exercises.Of course, the number "40" has always had special spiritual significance regarding preparation. On Mount Sinai, preparing to receive the Ten Commandments, "Moses stayed there with the Lord for 40 days and 40 nights, without eating any food or drinking any water" (Ex 34:28). Elijah walked "40 days and 40 nights" to the mountain of the Lord, Mount Horeb (another name for Sinai) (I Kgs 19:8). Most importantly, Jesus fasted and prayed for "40 days and 40 nights" in the desert before He began His public ministry (Mt 4:2). Once the 40 days of Lent were established, the next development concerned how much fasting was to be done. In Jerusalem, for instance, people fasted for 40 days, Monday through Friday, but not on Saturday or Sunday, thereby making Lent last for eight weeks. In Rome and in the West, people fasted for six weeks, Monday through Saturday, thereby making Lent last for six weeks. Eventually, the practice prevailed of fasting for six days a week over the course of six weeks, and Ash Wednesday was instituted to bring the number of fast days before Easter to 40. The rules of fasting varied. First, some areas of the Church abstained from all forms of meat and animal products, while others made exceptions for food like fish. For example, Pope St. Gregory (d. 604), writing to St. Augustine of Canterbury, issued the following rule: "We abstain from flesh, meat, and from all things that come from flesh, as milk, cheese and eggs." Second, the general rule was for a person to have one meal a day, in the evening or at 3 p.m. These Lenten fasting rules also evolved. Eventually, a smaller repast was allowed during the day to keep up one’s strength from manual labor. Eating fish was allowed, and later eating meat was also allowed through the week except on Ash Wednesday and Friday. Dispensations were given for eating dairy products if a pious work was performed, and eventually this rule was relaxed totally. (However, the abstinence from even dairy products led to the practice of blessing Easter eggs and eating pancakes on Shrove Tuesday, the day before Ash Wednesday.)Over the years, modifications have been made to the Lenten observances, making our practices not only simple but also easy. Ash Wednesday still marks the beginning of Lent, which lasts for 40 days, not including Sundays. The present fasting and abstinence laws are very simple: On Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, the faithful fast (having only one full meal a day and smaller snacks to keep up one’s strength) and abstain from meat; on the other Fridays of Lent, the faithful abstain from meat. People are still encouraged "to give up something" for Lent as a sacrifice. (An interesting note is that technically on Sundays and solemnities like St. Joseph's Day (March 19) and the Annunciation (March 25), one is exempt and can partake of whatever has been offered up for Lent. Nevertheless, I was always taught, "If you gave something up for the Lord, tough it out. Don’t act like a Pharisee looking for a loophole." Moreover, an emphasis must be placed on performing spiritual works, like attending the Stations of the Cross, attending Mass, making a weekly holy hour before the Blessed Sacrament, taking time for personal prayer and spiritual reading and most especially making a good confession and receiving sacramental absolution. Although the practices may have evolved over the centuries, the focus remains the same: to repent of sin, to renew our faith and to prepare to celebrate joyfully the mysteries of our salvation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmoosego Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 now you know the facts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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