Hk416

[Forrest Gump 9]

Just saw the show High Impact: M16 on History Channel. At the end of the show they talk about the HK416 as an replacement for the M16. From the way the HK416 looks and sounds it is just like an M16 with the piston upper, or is it more superior?

[Scotty2Hotty]

That's the basic run down of the 416. Granted there's a few more improvements, but H&K isn't re-inventing Eugene Stoner's M16 by any means. The 417 is the 7.62mm version of the same rifle. Most SF operators I've seen are using the LMT CQB MK18's in the 10" cofiguration. Some of MARSOC is utilizing the 416's aswell. Each team is a little different, but you'll only see the 416 fielded in the Special Forces ranks so far.

LMT MK18

http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Scotty_Sapper/mk18-1.jpg

[Scotty2Hotty]

Here's a few LWRC's in action:

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v329/74/62/1000132681/n1000132681_30151258_2286.jpg

It's not the end all yet, but I think the Remington ACR is going to get some play in the SOCOM market aswell.

[Forrest Gump 9]

So are there any civilian versions of the hk417?

[Scotty2Hotty]

So are there any civilian versions of the hk417?

 

LWRC makes the REPR which is very similar. Larue makes the OBR and lastly LMT just brought out the LM308MWS, which is about the same rifle the U.K picked up for their Marksmanship Program. They're dubbing the rifle the L129A1, which beat out Sabre Defense, H&K and FNH. Pretty big step in my opinion to beat out those big names.

 

-Forgot to add POF P-308 aswell.

H&K 417

http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/001432/1432541.jpg

LWRC REPR

http://www.internationalpolicesupply.net/REPR2rifles.jpg

Larue Tactical OBR

http://personal.visualitymedia.com/personal/obr/obr_aac_950.jpg

LMT LM308MWS

POF P-308

http://dynamicarmament.com/images/POFUSA/POF308165A1.jpg

 

All the rifles are chambered in 7.62X51mm(.308), and are damn near the closest thing to the H&K 417. Personally, I believe the Larue OBR, LMT LM308MWS, are probably quite a bit better than the H&K. Some of the POF P-308 rifles are being fielded throughout the SF community aswell. That's kinda what happens when you have a good budget to work with and no real directive on equipment.

[1fast5gp]

The H&K416 is awsome piece of engineering. People think H&Ks are over priced, but the thing is. All guns are Over priced. H&K is not more over priced than any other gun out there. H&K are priced more because it is more expensive to produce. The materials being used is more expensive.

 

Future weapon episode on the H&K416

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgstaO18jY

[unfunnyryan]

I'll take two in 308 please.

[jjjxlr8]

From the small pictures I've seen, the gas piston system looks just like the design of the system in my AR180 which was designed by Stoner back in the early 60's. The design is also very similar to the one used in the Russian Tokarev SVT38/SVT40, 1938 vintage.

[Scotty2Hotty]

From the small pictures I've seen, the gas piston system looks just like the design of the system in my AR180 which was designed by Stoner back in the early 60's. The design is also very similar to the one used in the Russian Tokarev SVT38/SVT40, 1938 vintage.

 

Stoner also used a long stroke gas piston in the rare Stoner 63 LMG used in Vietnam.

http://world.guns.ru/machine/Stoner63lmg-2.jpg

 

I think in the near future, the gas piston will be the replacement. With that said, the M16/M4 series rifles will probably give way to something more like the Remington ACR or the FNH SCAR.

[RedRocket1647545505]

Stoner also used a long stroke gas piston in the rare Stoner 63 LMG used in Vietnam.

http://world.guns.ru/machine/Stoner63lmg-2.jpg

 

I think in the near future, the gas piston will be the replacement. With that said, the M16/M4 series rifles will probably give way to something more like the Remington ACR or the FNH SCAR.

 

I thought I heard that they cancelled the SCAR. Aleast for the military.

[cinergi]

The H&K416 is awsome piece of engineering. People think H&Ks are over priced, but the thing is. All guns are Over priced. H&K is not more over priced than any other gun out there. H&K are priced more because it is more expensive to produce. The materials being used is more expensive.

 

Future weapon episode on the H&K416

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgstaO18jY

 

 

And people always take anything HK as the best there is, when in fact it is not. HK jumped on the bandwagon that everyone else did and has seen almost as many issues as LWRC did early on. Everyone has a competitive piece right now in this market, but in my opinion LMT is still the best you can get.

 

The other end of the problem is good luck getting an HK fixed unless you claim it's a duty weapon. HK is horrid with customer service and I can spout examples for hours on end. However, if they think it is LE related, they will bend over backwards.

 

I always tell people to consider what replacement parts will run when you are considering something unique. Also, how easily can you replace it under fire?

 

Remember One is None, Two is One and so forth... Things are being engineered better and better day by day, but in the end if this damn thing breaks it is absolutely useless.

[Scotty2Hotty]

I thought I heard that they cancelled the SCAR. Aleast for the military.

 

Not 100% as far as the Army was concerned. The 75th Ranger Regiment was fielding/testing there for a while. Haven't talked to those I know in the Battalions to say 100% if they are.

http://www.defensetech.org/images/SCAR-rangers.jpg

 

I still want to go shoot a damn ACR

[RedRocket1647545505]

http://www.military.com/news/article/spec-ops-command-cancels-new-rifle.html

[Scotty2Hotty]

http://www.military.com/news/article/spec-ops-command-cancels-new-rifle.html

 

Someone's finally thinking outside the box for once. I agree with the MK17 over the MK16, but didn't think SOCOM would actually do it. I like the step in the 7.62mm direction though.

[Forrest Gump 9]

How do the Sig 556 stack up again the HK416?

[cinergi]

Sig 556 has had it's issues just like all the others. Right now they're supposed to be on-par with everyone else. The one I owned had a crush washer that was not torqued down properly and that was only part of the fit-finish problems. It went back 2x for the rail issue. After that it was straightened out, but why should a gun have to go back to the manufacturer 3x to be right?

 

It group just as well as any good match barreled AR at the same distances. I was happy with that, but since I felt it wasn't right to begin with I had to part ways. I was pretty disgusted because I was the first person with money down on the 556 in the Mid West.

 

I have shot a few since and saw zero quality or performance issues out of them.

 

You really have to determine what YOU want and see what fits your needs.

 

I would recommend reading Boston's Gun Bible if you want to refresh yourself with "battle rifles". Even with all the information on the net, you would be hard to find such good, concise information all in one place.