BradyPPC Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 We were recently brought a 2009 Challenger R/T to pump some life into. The goal was to make a fun street car that would occasionally see strip use out of it. With the instant tq output, positive displacement superchargers and fun street car go hand in hand. For this project we turned to Kenne Bell for one of their 2.8 LC Supercharger kits. The results......well, it was enough fun to make me want to buy a Challenger! Dodge did a great job on the exterior of the Challenger's when they reintroduced them. The cars just look mean. http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7412&g2_serialNumber=2 Underhood, they are a bit boring from the factory, even with the addition of a cold air intake. All of that changes though once the blower goes on! http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7416&g2_serialNumber=2 http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7428&g2_serialNumber=2 For those not familiar with the Kenne Bell superchargers, the LC units are fairly new to the market and incorporate water feed and return lines into the front bearing drive. The front bearing drive only holds a few ounces of oil to feed the gears inside. According to Kenne Bell, the liquid cooling option can lower the oil temperatures up to 200* which improves wear and prolongs seal life. http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7434&g2_serialNumber=2 We were able to snag an engraved pulley from a limited edition run for this particular build. This pulley is one size smaller than the standard kit comes with which raises boost roughly 1 psi. http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7440&g2_serialNumber=2 Anyone familiar with the Hemi engines knows they are prone to blow by which increases oil misting into the intake tract. The factory 5.7 also utilizes an internal pcv system designed into the factory intake manifold. Kenne Bell went overboard and designed an external pcv setup that also includes an oil separator. With most supercharger kits, you would be adding an additional oil separator but with the KB setup, you dont have to. It is already included! http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7443&g2_serialNumber=2 After the first pull on the dyno, it was obvious the stock clutch was worn out from alot of previous abuse. We ended up dropping in a Spec SS trim twin disc assembly with an aluminum flywheel. http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7446&g2_serialNumber=2 http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7452&g2_serialNumber=2 Now not only does the car look good with the hood closed, but it also looks good with it open http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7458&g2_serialNumber=2 The car ended up making awesome power! It made 509 hp while still maintaining the factory rev limiter. We would have easily made more by bumping the rev limiter up and pulling even higher but we opted to err on the safe side. The best part of the new found power is the instant tq hit from 2k rpm on up ! http://pickupspluscars.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=7455&g2_serialNumber=2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRTurbo04 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 ill say it again god dam love the work you guys do at ppc KEEP IT UP BRADY!!! car looks awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky31186 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Looks good! Catch cans should come STOCK on our hemi's... Now imagine if that KB went on a 6.1L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 ill say it again god dam love the work you guys do at ppc KEEP IT UP BRADY!!! car looks awesome Thanks Paul! Appreciate the nice words! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Looks good! Catch cans should come STOCK on our hemi's... Now imagine if that KB went on a 6.1L Dude, I totally agree.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Looks good! Catch cans should come STOCK on our hemi's... Now imagine if that KB went on a 6.4L Fixed that for ya. The KB R/T has an awesome torque curve (if it counts as a curve). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Fixed that for ya. The KB R/T has an awesome torque curve (if it counts as a curve). It sort of has a curve.....eventually;) The car was awesome to drive. Mash the gas at 45 or 50 mph and it would just light the tires up. Kind of hard not to smile when you can do that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Dyno says engine power? Is that estimated at crank? What were the wheel numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Dyno says engine power? Is that estimated at crank? What were the wheel numbers? Those are wheel numbers. It is just how Mustang has the channels labeled in the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky31186 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Fixed that for ya. The KB R/T has an awesome torque curve (if it counts as a curve). Not a fan of the 6.4L. I would get a 6.1 or go with a crate motor 7.0L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Those are wheel numbers. It is just how Mustang has the channels labeled in the software. Ahh! Sweet! DAT TORQUE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Not a fan of the 6.4L. I would get a 6.1 or go with a crate motor 7.0L Serious? Have you ever driven one? The difference is night and day when compared to the 6.1. It's a beast, and the exhaust note is just nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky31186 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Yes, I see you own one in your sig.... Talk to me when you buy a 6.1 or a 6.4 What do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Yes, I see you own one in your sig.... Talk to me when you buy a 6.1 or a 6.4 What do I know? Lol. I've probably put more miles on SRT products than anyone on this forum. I worked in vehicle development and was focused on Chrysler models, which included all Challenger, 300/Charger, Journey, Sebring/Avenger, Caliber/Patriot/Compass, and Wrangler variants as well as select Nitro, Ram, and Grand Cherokee's (including some testing with your SRT WK). Probably 90% of the time I spent in these vehicles involved limit handling on a closed test track. I left this position for my current job close to the 6.4L Challenger launch (probably spent ~3 days a week, 8-12 hours a day, for 6 months in this car), while we were working with 6.4L LX/LD mules. I spent even more time in the 6.1 cars. So, yeah, I think I can speak on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Lol. I've probably put more miles on SRT products than anyone on this forum. I worked in vehicle development and was focused on Chrysler models, which included all Challenger, 300/Charger, Journey, Sebring/Avenger, Caliber/Patriot/Compass, and Wrangler variants as well as select Nitro, Ram, and Grand Cherokee's (including some testing with your SRT WK). Probably 90% of the time I spent in these vehicles involved limit handling on a closed test track. I left this position for my current job close to the 6.4L Challenger launch (probably spent ~3 days a week, 8-12 hours a day, for 6 months in this car), while we were working with 6.4L LX/LD mules. I spent even more time in the 6.1 cars. So, yeah, I think I can speak on the subject. burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky31186 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Lol. I've probably put more miles on SRT products than anyone on this forum. I worked in vehicle development and was focused on Chrysler models, which included all Challenger, 300/Charger, Journey, Sebring/Avenger, Caliber/Patriot/Compass, and Wrangler variants as well as select Nitro, Ram, and Grand Cherokee's (including some testing with your SRT WK). Probably 90% of the time I spent in these vehicles involved limit handling on a closed test track. I left this position for my current job close to the 6.4L Challenger launch (probably spent ~3 days a week, 8-12 hours a day, for 6 months in this car), while we were working with 6.4L LX/LD mules. I spent even more time in the 6.1 cars. So, yeah, I think I can speak on the subject. As I said, let me know when you buy one.. I would still own my 6.1 over a factory 6.4 any day of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIEF Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 As I said, let me know when you buy one.. I would still own my 6.1 over a factory 6.4 any day of the week Point. Not you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowflake Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yes, I see you own one in your sig.... Talk to me when you buy a 6.1 or a 6.4 What do I know? As I said, let me know when you buy one.. I would still own my 6.1 over a factory 6.4 any day of the week So what if the 6.4 wasn't "factory"? I don't own either but I recently test drove both that are bone stock and its obvious the 6.4 is superior. I realize I shouldn't speak on the matter because I don't own either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky31186 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 So what if the 6.4 wasn't "factory"? I don't own either but I recently test drove both that are bone stock and its obvious the 6.4 is superior. I realize I shouldn't speak on the matter because I don't own either. The 6.4L comes with VCT, MDS and a plastic intake manifold (or composite as they call it). It has rubber valve seals that will more than likely blow when boosted.. Also has higher compression ratio which will hurt boosted performance. Does it make more HP? Yes. But I still would not own one.. A crate motor 6.4L or 7.0L is a lot better than a factory 6.4L. As far as the srt8 jeep goes, the 2012 with a 6.4L is slower than the 06-10 body style with 6.1L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 The 6.4L comes with VCT, MDS and a plastic intake manifold (or composite as they call it). It has rubber valve seals that will more than likely blow when boosted.. Also has higher compression ratio which will hurt boosted performance. Does it make more HP? Yes. But I still would not own one.. A crate motor 6.4L or 7.0L is a lot better than a factory 6.4L. As far as the srt8 jeep goes, the 2012 with a 6.4L is slower than the 06-10 body style with 6.1L. Yeah but they don't build them to suit the mod happy aftermarket. They build them for specific hp/tq & fuel economy metrics, and as such the 6.4 is better at those. Time will tell what happens in the aftermarket in years to come I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky31186 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Yeah but they don't build them to suit the mod happy aftermarket. They build them for specific hp/tq & fuel economy metrics, and as such the 6.4 is better at those. Time will tell what happens in the aftermarket in years to come I guess. Very true..The 6.1 was mod friendly off the assembly line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 The 6.4L comes with VCT, MDS and a plastic intake manifold (or composite as they call it). It has rubber valve seals that will more than likely blow when boosted.. Also has higher compression ratio which will hurt boosted performance. Yeah, I'm sure this is why the LSx has proven to be a shit motor too. As far as the srt8 jeep goes, the 2012 with a 6.4L is slower than the 06-10 body style with 6.1L. There is a curb weight difference too. A better A to B comparison is in the Challenger where the body, interior, trans, etc. all basically stayed the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFo Posted October 1, 2012 Report Share Posted October 1, 2012 Very nice. Been considering this setup for my 6.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Very nice. Been considering this setup for my 6.1. It is a very nice setup. You certainly wouldnt be disappointed with it. The power comes on nice and strong and just continues to pull. Plus, it looks good under the hood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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