copperhead Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) This is huge. The ATF generally shies away from making hard determinations on anything so they can enforce pretty much whatever they want, but recently they painted themselves into a corner. The 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) laid out all the different entities that are allowed to own firearms, such as individuals, corporations, and most importantly to this case trusts. The 1986 machinegun ban says everything the NFA includes, with the exception of trusts, cannot possess post-1986 machineguns without being on the special list. It''s always been assumed that trusts really aren't any different from "persons". Recently, in regards to background checks the ATF has determined that trusts are not "persons". Therefore, the wording of the 1986 machinegun ban does not prevent trusts from possessing or making new machineguns. Once this realization came about, people starting filing form 1's to build new machineguns as trusts. For a while, these stamps were being approved :fuckyeah: It's not known how many were approved, but it's been confirmed that there have been machineguns legally built on these stamps. Someone at the ATF decided this was a bad idea, and now they aren't approving these form 1 requests. So now, there is a pro-2a lawyer that has filed 3 lawsuits in different states. His goal is to shatter the entire machinegun ban through the courts. I think you can all figure out just how massive and important this is to clawing back our rights, and laying the groundwork to saving them for years to come. Without a massive change in the makeup of our federal legislature, there will be no laws any time soon made in regards to this whatsoever. So whatever the courts decide is what we'll have for the foreseeable future. AR15.com has a massive thread on this, and has all the info updated in the original post. There is also info on donating the cause. If you are able, please do. At this point there is no real reason to submit your own form 1 unless you would like to be a part of a possible class action suit in the future if this doesn't pan out. It will be auto-rejected within 3 days. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1624460_.html Feel free to copy-paste this to any other gun forums you are on. The more people that know about this, the better. News article on it here Edited October 11, 2014 by copperhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey2721 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 will have to read up on it a bit. i need to join over there on the ar15 forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Overturning the machinegun ban will never happen, unfortunately. I predict the outcome will be just the opposite, with even stricter rules, possibly not allowing trusts to own NFA items at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted October 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Overturning the machinegun ban will never happen, unfortunately. I predict the outcome will be just the opposite, with even stricter rules, possibly not allowing trusts to own NFA items at all. The nfa specifies that trusts can own them. It would take an act of congress to change that, the atf can't pull their normal tricks to stop that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted October 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2014 Shots fired http://www.scribd.com/doc/245057730/Hollis-v-Holder-Complaint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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