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Richard Cranium

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Just curious what people think. Car came into school yesterday, think it's a 2012 Impala. Has a miss on cylinder number 1. Ran a compression test and only had 60 psi on number 1. Ran a leak down test. Think it's something like 80% leak, but the compression is coming out the number 3 spark plug hole. On a V6 this wouldn't be odd, but I guess the car is a 4 cylinder. Does this sound like anything anyone has heard of before?
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On a V6 this wouldn't be odd, but I guess the car is a 4 cylinder.

 

I don't think there was a 4 cylinder available on the 2012 impala. 3.5-3.9 v6s and a 5.3 v8 were the only engines (but I could be wrong).

 

sounds valve train related...maybe slightly bent valve, worn out seat, or wiped cam lobe?

 

don't the v6 engines have a problem pulling the rocker arm bolts out of the head? I had a friend whose impala did that but it was an older one.

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3.6 V6 was the only engine in 2012, Unless you mean malibu and not impala.

 

 

Doesn't sound familiar, but I've seen the 2.5/2.0 malibu crack pistons and 3.6 impalas have cam/valve train issues.

EDIT: 2012 malibu would be 2.4 or 3.6, not the engines I mentioned above.

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Could be a Malibu, I just got a quick description of the problem. I know it's a 4 cylinder. Confusing that when we put air to it with number 1 TDC that the pressure comes out number 3 combustion chamber. Nothing on number 2, nothing noticable coming out the throttle body, the crank case or the exhaust.

 

Could the exhaust manifold create enough back pressure that if number 1 has a leaking exhaust valve that there would be noticeable air flow on 3 if that exhaust valve happens to be open? If it was one the intake side then I assume there would be more noticeable flow coming out the throttle body than the number 3 combustion chamber.

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Could be a Malibu, I just got a quick description of the problem. I know it's a 4 cylinder. Confusing that when we put air to it with number 1 TDC that the pressure comes out number 3 combustion chamber. Nothing on number 2, nothing noticable coming out the throttle body, the crank case or the exhaust.

 

Could the exhaust manifold create enough back pressure that if number 1 has a leaking exhaust valve that there would be noticeable air flow on 3 if that exhaust valve happens to be open? If it was one the intake side then I assume there would be more noticeable flow coming out the throttle body than the number 3 combustion chamber.

 

I suppose it could be possible. But if cylinder 1 is already down on compression, I wouldn't even waste my time trying to figure out the #3 deal. Just find a used/reman engine and swap in.

 

I guess if its a school, pull valve cover and see if its still in time.

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Sounds like valves aren't sealing on cylinder 1 and the air is coming back through the manifold and since cylinder 3 would be the next to fire, the valve events have already begun and you're just hearing the air leaking past those valves?
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Sounds like valves aren't sealing on cylinder 1 and the air is coming back through the manifold and since cylinder 3 would be the next to fire, the valve events have already begun and you're just hearing the air leaking past those valves?

 

That's what we're thinking. It's taken a few days to accept that's probably what it is, and he's reluctant to pull the head without being more confident in the diagnosis.

 

Whats compression on #3 like?

 

Compression on 2 - 4 are great. I don't remember the numbers but they were good.

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That's what we're thinking. It's taken a few days to accept that's probably what it is, and he's reluctant to pull the head without being more confident in the diagnosis.

 

 

 

Compression on 2 - 4 are great. I don't remember the numbers but they were good.

 

No compression means head needs to come off regardless.

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