Cdubyah Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I must have read this thread wrong. Was looking for Sarah Palin going down.. Onward with your politcal debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putty Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 HA HA!!! Some of you wanted her as your VP...HA HA!!!! What a joke!!"We're fisherman and we know only dead fish go with the flow"Shut the fuck up! Be gone....goodbye, later!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 You weren't.. right up to the point that you said this...How so? The ownership or administration of natural resources and production of goods is at the heart of socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 How so? The ownership or administration of natural resources and production of goods is at the heart of socialism.Go back and re-read my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) I did and you're missing the point. We aren't talking obviously about strict socialism with either healthcare or the oil profit sharing.That of course is also taking into account we are kind of ignoring Alaska's constitution and it's claims. Edited July 6, 2009 by fusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Another gaffe, though to be fair - this might be overly critical since there is a "Department of Law" in Alaska. Still, this serves to show how out of touch this lady is with the American political system.Palin: "Department Of Law" Protects The President Sarah Palin and her defenders have cited numerous ethics complaints against the Alaska governor as a practical reason for her resignation. Fighting the claims, Palin told the Anchorage Daily News Monday, was immobilizing her: "I'm not going to let Alaskans go through a year of stymied, paralyzed administration and not getting anything done." Naturally, skeptical observers have wondered how Palin would handle being president if some ethics complaints are enough to make her unable to run a state. Palin's answer: if she was president, the Department of Law would protect her.Palin said there is a difference between the White House and what she has experienced in Alaska. If she were in the White House the "department of law" would protect her from baseless ethical allegations. "I think on a national level your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.There is no Department of Law at the White House. Alaska does have a Department of Law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 What of the position is doggy style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffryder63 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 It just proves how liberal's control the media , This country is in deep-sh*t ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 It just proves how liberal's control the media , This country is in deep-sh*t ......Just don't change your TV off Fox News, you'll be safe from any open-minded ideas you'll encounter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I'm confused..socialism is good if it's contained to a Republican controlled state..and bad elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) No.. the model is completely different. Alaska is selling the oil it owns and redistributing the profit. What we're going to get is a redistribution of cost and losses. Big difference.Hold up there, sportsfan.The difference is income vs. expense.So, it's OK to have redistribution of wealth if it's coming IN to you, but not going out? Socialism is good if it's a one-way valve of money coming in, but that's the only time its good? Edited July 9, 2009 by JRMMiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Never said it was good. I said there is a difference.Refer you back to post #43:Did anybody else notice that while every other state is in debt and raising taxes' date=' Alaska actually gave money to each of its' citizens for the last several years and has no personal income or state sales taxes.If that's stupidity.. then sign me up. I've also met a few Ivy league educated persons. If she lacks a degree in self-righteousness and pretension then I'll let that slide.[/quote']Sounds like you're defending it there as a good idea?You're OK with it as long as money flows in to you, but you've long argued that you're opposed to any outflow of money to the inefficient government. Methinks that is a little hypocritical. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick37 Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I would like to see a flat tax put in place,everyone would pay their share and like cmoosego said NO FREE PASSES for any anyone, I have always believed that if you are trying to make it i.e work everyday and dont wine about how everything is unfair then I have no problem with giving assistance to that group of people. As far as these current politicians they all need to be fired and we need to elect people who will respect our constitution and uphold what it stands for. As for Sara Palin if he runs in 2012 I will vote for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 You would vote for someone who couldn't finish their term as governor for President? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 The state is not taxing its citizens and spreading the money. It is distributing the profit it makes from the oil that the citizens own' date=' collectively as Alaskans, to the citizens of that state. They are not taking money from one person, or persons, and giving it to another person. [/quote']That doesn't make any sense. If the government is inefficient as you say it is, then just because the citizens don't see the total gross revenues from the oil shouldn't make the fact that they get a check any less OK.I mean, the bottom line is that it costs 'X' dollars to run a state. If Alaska takes in 'Z' from oil sales, then Z - X = 'Y' (what's left over to distribute). And, that's kosher with you. But, what if the state sent out checks to people for their share of the Z amount, then taxed them to collect X. Same idea, but then you'd be bitching up a storm that it's bullshit to pay taxes for stuff. The government and costs didn't change, just the cash flow. But, you're saying, if I understand it, is that because you never see the Z, and still collect Y, since they're not taking money - it's all gravy? Do I agree 100% with it? No' date=' but I also have the choice to not live in Alaska. I would expect my oil on my own land to belong to me. I don't know exactly how the law is written in Alaska regarding this but it appears that you can own land but not the natural resources beneath that land. Kind of bullshit but if we allowed citizens to own oil then we'd only be showing support of 'big oil' tycoons. God forbid people get rich and be stingy with those riches in this country.[/quote']You're trying to have it both ways, and it can't work like that. Either the resource is collectively owned, or it isn't. In Alaska's case, it's collective, it's socialist. With as much as you defend individual rights - I would think that if the oil rig is on MY property, that's MY oil - you, or my neighbor, or anyone else shouldn't get a cut.I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't so go ahead and call me a hypocrite all you want. I don't really give a fuck.I wasn't worried that you'd be losing sleep over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Sarah Palin's not just a quitter -- she's a professional quitter. And taxpayers get the tabSarah Palin quit as Alaska's governor because, she claimed, she needed to "do the right thing for Alaska". But has anyone sat down and figured out how much this stunt is actually going to cost Alaska's taxpayers? One of our wise Alaska friends e-mailed the other day, pointing out that Palin's resignation is likely going to wind up costing in the vicinity of $200,000 or more, because a special session is going to be required to name a successor to the lieutenant governor's post. Indeed, Greg Sargent is reporting that one of the reasons Palin repeatedly gave for resigning -- that defending her on the ethics complaints was costing taxpayers a bundle -- was fundamentally false. All this for the sake of someone who already has a history of quitting on the state when she hit rough sledding -- but using the splash she made from doing so as a stepping-stone to higher office. John Ziegler, Palin's Biggest Fan, dropped that point in passing the other night on The O'Reilly Factor -- as though it were an admirable thing to do, of course. Crisitunity at Swing State Project explored this in a bit further detail: One other thought about Alaska that just about everyone in the tradmed seems to be missing. Sarah Palin did have a job in between being mayor of Wasilla and Alaska Governor: she was chair of Frank Murkowski's Oil and Gas Commission. How long was she on this Commission? Less than a year... until she quit in January 2004 with a big public huff (leaving the Commission in the lurch with only one member), saying "the experience was taking the 'oomph' out of her passion for government service and she decided to quit rather than becoming bitter." She publicly cited her frustration with being unable to be all straight-talky and mavericky about the corruption and backbiting on the Commission, but the resignation also came at a very convenient time for switching over to lay the groundwork for her successful 2006 gubernatorial run. As DavidNYC at DailyKos acidly observed: Don't forget that she also quit four different colleges en route to getting a degree in journalism. It seems that the one lesson Sarah Palin's learned her whole life is that quitters always win. The best part is that the taxpayers pick up the tab for it, too. Apparently, "what's right for the people of Alaska" is to give them the shaft -- now that she's "too big" for them, especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 If the above is actually true then she sucks. No denying that point' date=' but I'd still fuck her. [/quote']Come on she sucked before, here's to hoping she swallows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InyaAzz Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 If the above is actually true then she sucks. No denying that point' date=' but I'd still fuck her. [/quote']I would never vote for her, but I'd fuck the shit out of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 i was hopeful when i saw sarah palin, and minus her being like the gov of one of the most insignificant states ever, i thought some of her stances we hopeful... then i heard her talk. and i had a sad.now, she's spiraling into depraved fail, and i can only laff and laff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Is this guy an idiot or what ?Levi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmagicglock Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Is this guy an idiot or what ?Leviyeah he's an idiot, that bristol chick is hawt, he shouldn't have let that tail go... And if he'd have stuck around maybe the family would have taken care of him with all that book money haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 What exactly makes him an idiot in the context in which that article was written? Curious.Meh, she looks average, maybe even a little chubby. Her face is cute though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmagicglock Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 i think he's an idiot for trying to cash in on their fame with his endless interviews and trying to set up his own book deal and movie? everyone wants to extend their 15 secs of fame. As far as that pic? I found that on the web from articles as far back as March. She just had a baby? so if thats as chubby as she looks after having a baby, not bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 That kid is doing what he needs to do to cash in. If you had a chance to be a sellout, you wouldn't take it? I'd love to make hundreds of thousands of dollars just speaking my mind. Why am I important? Because I fucked someone related to someone of fleeting importance... how trivial is that? Yet, if that's what our society has become, I'll tell you whatever you want to hear because you think I'm someone worth listening to and laugh at you and the rest of the people all the way to the bank.Regarding Bristol, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't kick her outta bed (well, maybe I would, I have a thing about not doing girls w/ kids, that's my issue though), but she's not any cuter than the next girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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