Conspiracy Theorists Unite w/ Governor Jesse "the Body"!

[Fonzie]

Just saw an interview with Governor Jesse "the Body" Ventura about his show Conspiracy Theory, which starts it's 2nd season tomorrow night on TruTV.

This episode's supposed to have to do with Plum Island & how the nazis might be responsible for the first biological weapon with ticks & wood mites?... Lyme disease

Was looking at some of last season's episodes when I was setting the DVR, & looks like there's one about the 2012 apocalypse & researching rumors of our government building underground bunkers for the elite, to prepare

Edited November 20, 2010 by Fonzie

[drew95gt]

It's a cool show, I really enjoy it. Hope season 2 turns out to be good. 1st season was good, but the "secret city" below Denver International Airport is kind far fetched.

[kawi kid]

I thought there was a giant bunker built into the side of a mountain in virginia or somewhere in that area

[NinjaNick]

Yeah, cuz if we have to repopulate, that's who we want to start it all...the so called "elite".

[kawi kid]

Come on nick! They do know what's best lol

[drew95gt]

I thought there was a giant bunker built into the side of a mountain in virginia or somewhere in that area

There is a giant bunker in WV under the Greenbrier, it is a nuclear fallout shelter for Congress and the rest of the political heads from DC.

[kawi kid]

That's what I was thinking of... I knew it had enough seats and room for congress to do business

[redkow97]

just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

[Fonzie]

Plum Island was kinda interesting. Lot of contrived drama for my taste though. Didn't really feel like he proved/disproved anything, but raised a lot of interesting points/speculation

Watching the 2012 apocalypse one now. Those paintings in the Denver airport are freakin' creepy/weird for a public place like that, as is the suitcase/demon/gargoyle thing. The mason plaquard siting a "New World Commission" is pretty odd as well. They're right in that it does seem like a friggin' Dan Brown novel

Edited October 16, 2010 by Fonzie

[Fonzie]

Just watched the "Police State/Marshall Law/Big Brother" one. This Infragard organization is pretty interesting/suspicious/scary. Haven't ever heard of them before, but when I googled... All kinds of links came up

Also watched the 911 Conspiracy one the other night. Pretty interesting what that one volunteer said about actually seeing one of the recovered black boxes, & his buddy saying they'd recovered 2 more. Also.... The explosive residue that scientist found in the dust, & the comments about building 7 collapsing the exact same way as the towers, even though it was never struck by a plane

[kawi kid]

Fonz get on youtube and watch men behind the curtain. You will like it.

Edited October 25, 2010 by kawi kid

[Fonzie]

Finally got to watch the "Police State" one tonight

Alarming intimations

My buddy Jeff always said we were all gonna end up with UPC's tattooed on us

[Fonzie]

Been catchin' up on some I had DVR'd... Great Lakes, Manchurian Candidate, & the Bilderberger ones

Noticing some carryover of interviewees between some episodes. Guy in white van in ManCan & Area 51 IIRC, Jon Ronson in ManCan & Bildeberger, & that conspiracy expert Alex guy's in many of them.

I'm also feeling some correlations between the Police State, Plum Island, Great Lakes, Bilderberger & Global Warming episodes... Common thread seems to be weaving between all them

[Fonzie]

Just watched tonight's episode, & I have to say it, + last weeks about Nestle pumping ~90 million gallons per year out of the great lakes, & possibly selling much of it to China, along with the this evenings BP coverup/conspiracy are highly disturbing!

Last weeks about the great lakes & Nestle Water, along with tonights about the BP oil spill are VERY disturbing.Nestle is estimated to be pumping 90 million gallons a year out of the great lakes for bottling & possibly selling to China, & I never knew BP provided a $500 million grant to Obama's current Secretary of Energy back in his private sector days, & the BP scientist who gave it to him is now the Undersecretary of Energy. Conflict of interest anyone??

Or how about the head of BP selling 1/3 of his personal BP stock several weeks before the explosion. Or the fact that Haliburton was in charge of the concrete in the well hole, & they bought the clean up crew company that is currently being used... 11 days before the explosion?!? Or the fact that the company who owned the oil rig that exploded... Offered a special "put" to some of their stockholders the morning OF the accident!

[Disclaimer]

Here you go Fonz and Sambusa... you want fear and conspiracy, this is it. Except, this series has been awarded "Best Factual Series" in 2004.

Yes, I watched all 3 of the one-hour documentary pieces. And this is along the lines of the same "kool-aid" I've been drinking all along and I've offering to share it with others.

2004: The Power of Nightmares (BBC Two) suggested a parallel between the rise of Islamism in the Arab world and Neoconservatism in the United States in that both needed to inflate a myth of a dangerous enemy in order to draw people to support them. It received the BAFTA Award for Best Factual Series in 2004.[6]

To view all threee videos in order...

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1D677F7EAAEE3DD5

The films compare the rise of the Neo-Conservative movement in the

United States and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on

their origins and claiming similarities between the two. More

controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a

massive, sinister organized force of destruction, specifically in the

form of al-Qaeda, is a myth perpetrated by politicians in many

countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to

unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more

utopian ideologies.

Part 1 - Baby it's Cold Outside

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lByw7kvS0&feature=player_embedded

Part 1: Baby It's Cold Outside:

The first part of the series explains

the origin of Islamism and Neo-Conservatism. It shows Egyptian civil

servant Sayyid Qutb, depicted as the founder of modern Islamist thought,

visiting the U.S. to learn about the education system, but becoming

disgusted with what he saw as a corruption of morals and virtues in

western society through individualism. When he returns to Egypt, he is

disturbed by westernization under Gamal Abdel Nasser and becomes

convinced that in order to save society it must be completely

restructured along the lines of Islamic law while still using western

technology. He also becomes convinced that this can only be accomplished

through the use of an elite "vanguard" to lead a revolution against the

established order. Qutb becomes a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood and,

after being tortured in one of Nasser's jails, comes to believe that

western-influenced leaders can justly be killed for the sake of removing

their corruption. Qutb is executed in 1966, but he influences the

future mentor of Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, to start his own

secret Islamist group. Inspired by the 1979 Iranian revolution, Zawahiri

and his allies assassinate Egyptian president Anwar Al Sadat, in 1981,

in hopes of starting their own revolution. The revolution does not

materialize, and Zawahiri comes to believe that the majority of Muslims

have been corrupted not only by their western-inspired leaders, but

Muslims themselves have been affected by jahilliyah and thus both may be

legitimate targets of violence if they do not join him. They continued

to have the belief that a vanguard was necessary to rise up and

overthrow the corrupt regime and replace with a pure Islamist state.

At

the same time in the United States, a group of disillusioned liberals,

including Irving Kristol and Paul Wolfowitz, look to the political

thinking of Leo Strauss after the perceived failure of President

Johnson's "Great Society". They come to the conclusion that the emphasis

on individual liberty was the undoing of the plan. They envisioned

restructuring America by uniting the American people against a common

evil, and set about creating a mythical enemy. These factions, the

Neo-Conservatives, came to power under the Reagan administration, with

their allies Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, and work to unite the

United States in fear of the Soviet Union. The Neo-Conservatives allege

the Soviet Union is not following the terms of disarmament between the

two countries, and, with the investigation of "Team B", they accumulate a

case to prove this with dubious evidence and methods. President Reagan

is convinced nonetheless.

The Power of Nightmares Part 2 - The Phantom Victory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai6LhnW4Oa8&feature=player_embedded

Part 2: The Phantom Victory:

In the second episode, Islamist

factions, rapidly falling under the more radical influence of Zawahiri

and his rich Saudi acolyte Osama bin Laden, join the

Neo-Conservative-influenced Reagan Administration to combat the Soviet

Union's invasion of Afghanistan. When the Soviets eventually pull out

and when the Eastern Bloc begins to collapse in the late 1980s, both

groups believe they are the primary architects of the "Evil Empire's"

defeat. Curtis argues that the Soviets were on their last legs anyway,

and were doomed to collapse without intervention.

However, the

Islamists see it quite differently, and in their triumph believe that

they had the power to create 'pure' Islamic states in Egypt and Algeria.

However, attempts to create perpetual Islamic states are blocked by

force. The Islamists then try to create revolutions in Egypt and Algeria

by the use of terrorism to scare the people into rising up. However,

the people were terrified by the violence and the Algerian government

uses their fear as a way to maintain power. In the end, the Islamists

declare the entire populations of the countries as inherently

contaminated by western values, and finally in Algeria turn on each

other, each believing that other terrorist groups are not pure enough

Muslims either.

In America, the Neo-Conservatives' aspirations to

use the United States military power for further destruction of evil

are thrown off track by the ascent of George H. W. Bush to the

presidency, followed by the 1992 election of Bill Clinton leaving them

out of power. The Neo-Conservatives, with their conservative Christian

allies, attempt to demonize Clinton throughout his presidency with

various real and fabricated stories of corruption and immorality. To

their disappointment, however, the American people do not turn against

Clinton. The Islamist attempts at revolution end in massive bloodshed,

leaving the Islamists without popular support. Zawahiri and bin Laden

flee to the sufficiently safe Afghanistan and declare a new strategy; to

fight Western-inspired moral decay they must deal a blow to its source:

the United States.

The Power of Nightmares Part 3 - The Shadows in the Cave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HvzR8w1z2g&feature=player_embedded

The final episode addresses the actual rise of Al-Qaeda. Curtis argues

that, after their failed revolutions, bin Laden and Zawahiri had little

or no popular support, let alone a serious complex organization of

terrorists, and were dependent upon independent operatives to carry out

their new call for jihad. The film instead argues that in order to

prosecute bin Laden in absentia for the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings, US

prosecutors had to prove he was the head of a criminal organization

responsible for the bombings. They find a former associate of bin Laden,

Jamal al-Fadl, and pay him to testify that bin Laden was the head of a

massive terrorist organization called "Al-Qaeda". With the September

11th attacks, Neo-Conservatives in the new Republican government of

George W. Bush use this created concept of an organization to justify

another crusade against a new evil enemy, leading to the launch of the

War on Terrorism.

After the American invasion of Afghanistan

fails to uproot the alleged terrorist network, the Neo-Conservatives

focus inwards, searching unsuccessfully for terrorist sleeper cells in

America. They then extend the war on "terror" to a war against general

perceived evils with the invasion of Iraq in 2003. The ideas and tactics

also spread to the United Kingdom where Tony Blair uses the threat of

terrorism to give him a new moral authority. The repercussions of the

Neo-Conservative strategy are also explored with an investigation of

indefinitely-detained terrorist suspects in Guantanamo Bay, many

allegedly taken on the word of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance

without actual investigation on the part of the United States military,

and other forms of "preemption" against non-existent and unlikely

threats made simply on the grounds that the parties involved could later

become a threat. Curtis also makes a specific attempt to allay fears of

a dirty bomb attack, and concludes by reassuring viewers that

politicians will eventually have to concede that some threats are

exaggerated and others altogether devoid of reality. "In an age when all

the grand ideas have lost credibility, fear of a phantom enemy is all

the politicians have left to maintain their power."

[Disclaimer]

I haven't watched these yet, but they appear just as interesting for the fearmongers among us.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3646E199A148A788&session_token=-upbRQoRsEqQJbEscfZP7G1g3mF8MTI5MzU3NDg5Mg==][ame]http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3646E199A148A788[/ame]

The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom (2007) by producer, Adam Curtis.

The

series consists of three one-hour programs which explore the concept

and definition of freedom, specifically, "how a simplistic model of

human beings as self-seeking, almost robotic, creatures led to today's

idea of freedom.

If one steps back and looks at what freedom actually

means for us today, it's a strange and limited kind of freedom. The

West apparently fought the Cold War for "individual freedom", yet it is

still something our leaders continually promise to give us. Abroad, in

Iraq and Afghanistan, the attempt to force "freedom" on to other people

has led to bloody mayhem. This, in turn, has helped inspire terrorist

attacks in Britain. In response, the government has dismantled

long-standing laws that were designed to protect individual freedom...

The Trap-Part 1-Fuck You Buddy!-Full Length Documentary

Part 1 — Fuck You Buddy

In this episode, Curtis examines the rise of

game theory during the Cold War and the way in which its mathematical

models of human behavior filtered into economic thought. The program

traces the development of game theory with particular reference to the

work of John Nash, who constructed logically consistent and

mathematically verifiable models, for which he won the Nobel Prize in

Economics. He invented system games reflecting his beliefs about human

behavior, including one he called "Fuck You Buddy" (later published as

"So Long Sucker"), in which the only way to win was to betray your

playing partner. These games were internally coherent and worked

correctly as long as the players obeyed the ground rules that they

should behave selfishly and try to outwit their opponents. As the 1960s

became the 1970s, the theories of a Scottish psychiatrist, R.D Laing,

and the models of Nash began to converge, producing a widespread popular

belief that the state (a surrogate family) was purely and simply a

mechanism of social control which calculatedly kept power out of the

hands of the public. Curtis shows that it was this belief that allowed

economic models that left no room for altruism to look credible and that

this underpinned the free-market beliefs of Margaret Thatcher, who

sincerely believed that by dismantling as much of the British state as

possible and placing former national institutions into the hands of

public shareholders, a new form of social equilibrium would be reached.

This was a return to Nash's work, in which he proved mathematically that

if everyone was pursuing their own interests, a stable, yet perpetually

dynamic society could result. But as the mathematically modeled society

is run on data—performance targets, quotas, statistics—it is these

figures combined with the exaggerated belief that human selfishness will

provide stability, that has created "the trap".

The Trap-Part 2-The Lonely Robot-Full Length Documentary

Part 2 — The Lonely Robot

The second episode reiterates many of the

ideas of the first, but develops the theme that drugs such as Prozac and

lists of psychological symptoms which might indicate anxiety or

depression are being used to normalize behavior and make humans behave

more predictably, like machines. This is not presented as a conspiracy,

but as a logical although unpredicted outcome of market-driven

self-diagnosis by checklists based on normal symptoms of human emotion.

The Trap-Part 3-We Will Force You To Be Free-Full Length Documentary

Part 3 — We Will Force You To Be Free

The final program focuses on

the concepts of positive and negative liberty introduced in the 1950s by

Isaiah Berlin. Curtis briefly explains how negative liberty could be

defined as freedom from coercion and positive liberty as the opportunity

to strive to fulfill one's potential.

[Fonzie]

Let me guess... You're on vacation this week, ain'cha Justin?

[Disclaimer]

I'm on vacation until Jan 4th. So, I've got nothing to do but look at the interwebz ALL day long.

[Fonzie]

I'm on vacation until Jan 4th. So, I've got nothing to do but look at the interwebz ALL day long.

Called it! I figured as much. I remember our conversation about how you save all your vacay 'til the end of the year

[alienpi]

Supposedly the Conspiracy Theory shows on TruTV are being censored and removed from DVRs. They will probably be pulled from YouTube eventually.

http://www.infowars.com/censored-jesse-ventura-show-on-fema-camps-survives-on-you-tube/

http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-venturas-conspiracy-theory-episodes-disappearing-from-dvrs/

Edited January 6, 2011 by alienpi

[kawi kid]

Big brother was apparently watching lol

[Fonzie]

On December 17, Ventura went on Alex’s show and confirmed the government and Homeland Security put pressure on Time Warner to pull the show. TruTV is owned by Turner Broadcasting, a subsidiary of Time Warner. Tennessee Rep. Steve Cohen also turned up the heat on TruTV.

Several of the episodes I referred to in my earlier posts

Be afraid... Be very afraid