Rod38um Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 The president just signed into law the The National Defense Authorization Act which grants the President the ability to militarily detain and imprison indefinitely foreigners or Americans who they suspect of terrorism. No trial, no warrants........ Now, who defines terrorism? The president? If someone disagrees with him, can they be suspected of terrorism? This seems like the first power grab of a prospective dictator. This is the kind of legislation Hugo Chavez passed. This is one of the few things that the ACLU and I agree on.http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/The ACLU response: " If President Obama signs this bill, it will damage both his legacy and American’s reputation for upholding the rule of law. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 This really has the ability to become a scary situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 We as a nation need to hit the reset button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW-e7z7S6VI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jblosser Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I posted the following two weeks ago when this was brought up:Screw the Constitution, just a worthless, meaningless old piece of paper. Who needs a trial? Sixth Amendment? Nah, we tossed the Constitution years ago.1984 was only 17 years late.(That would be an allusion to the Patriot Act, for those of you following along at home)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) Ok, I don't like it, but there is a reason for it. It's just lost in the jabber of the Congress.Here's your scenario: An ad hoc army of terrorists converge on a military asset and take it. And turn the weapons found there on the public... Who you gonna call? Only military assets can stop them, and they aren't allowed to operate on USA soil.It could be a Guard or Reserve armory, or it could be an entire air base. Can the FBI or US Marshalls chase and shoot down a stolen F-16 or F-15? No. Can the US military? Nope, not them either, not until this law was passed. Ok, I admit it's a bit of a stretch considering the purpose intended, but it's a start in that direction.The problem is, Congress jabbered this law, and who knows what it actually says. Or accidentally or purposefully says. It's probably botched and will have to be revised. Yes, it's chopping away at rights. That's the world we live in now. We'll just have to write and get ourselves some modern up to date rights. Somehow.This change in law also recognizes the existence of domestic terrorism as a fact. Just don't forget what our largest and most damaging domestic terrorist groups actually are.I reserve all book and movie rights for this scenario... Edited January 2, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I thought we scrambled fighters on 9/11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I thought we scrambled fighters on 9/11?Yes. But they had no idea what to do. No one wanted to give an order. Most pilots were left to make their own decisions. They were tasked with finding, not shooting down. Intercepts are simply "escort to nearest airport" for FBI and Marshalls to take over. The one pilot who wanted to ram with his aircraft, had no weapons or ammo on board. All intercept capabilities were for inbound from outside the USA. Nothing was too workable for inside the USA. Probably the primary reason all commercial flights were grounded. So they could see what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 In communist America..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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