todd i went and talked to the peeps at pro armament. ended up getting rra carbine m4 tactical with gg&h MAD BUIS and gg&g non floating tactical forearm. 5- 20rd magazines, tactical soft case, box of american eagle 5.56, and an hr of range time free for 1200. kick ass deal. people were very knowledgeable on the ar 15s. seems like spikes and rra are the way to go for ars right now. everyone said nothing but good things about them both. was gonna buy a spikes at the show, but parts are harder to find and get. they can be found they just takel onger getting. that made my choice easier. ammo was high. cheaper at dicks. lots of knives and handguns. was a goodshow, smaller, high prices on most. the dpms ars were cheap, but you get what you pay for. im happy.