I'm replacing my cam chain and guides. There seemed to be no way to get them off without removing the cams, so I did. my service manual has not been very helpful. I have the new guides in, and the chain is around the timing sprocket on the crank shaft, but I can't seem to get the chain on the cam sprockets with the cam sprockets in place. I haven't put the cam holders on and tightened them down yet, because the manual says... and I quote word for word... "install the cam chain over the cam sprockets and then install the intake and exhaust cams" Well that's just not helpful at all. Any ideas would be great.. I think I have me cam chain tensioner all the way loose, but it's hard to say for sure with the little tool I made to turn it and lock it into place. I barely got the cam chain off when I had the cams installed, but the chain wouldn't make it past the bolts on the cam sprockets, which is why I removed the cams. With a new chain, I doubt I can install is the same way I removed it.