This is an argument that will continue to be brought up, but if someone was to happen to loose a bike in the process I guarantee they wont be the one to bring it up again. Just to clear things up, I don't give a fuck who is faster, I'll go on my ride, you go on yours, but maybe, just maybe if you go back and read what this thread was originally about, and then read what it has become you might laugh at yourselves.