These are my brother-in-law's guns. Told him I'd post them up here for him. If you are interested or have questions, let me know. http://www.armslist.com/posts/114100/columbus-ohio-muzzle-loaders-for-sale-cva-traditions-50-cal-muzzle-loader http://www.armslist.com/posts/114113/columbus-ohio-muzzle-loaders-for-sale-cva-apollo-50-cal-muzzle-loader