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As for the picture, thanks for now making the entire topic NSFW. Guess I won't be loading it at work anymore. And you absolutely do buy brand new Audis at other types of dealerships. Volkswagen is the owner of Audi...and yes they do sell brand new Audis at VW dealerships in most places. You should know that Audi is owned by VW, since VW also owns Ducati (VW owns Audi, Audi owns Lamborghini, Lambo owns Ducati). So now, what are the 'retarded and simply ignorant' points I've made? Because you haven't really even responded to any of the points I've made. Instead, you've used rhetoric (like you just did, again) to ignore the points I've made and you've created your own. You've, once again, responded to things that I didn't even say and instead chose to respond to points that you, yourself, created. It's called the Strawman Fallacy, and you've used it to its fullest potential. Then you followed up with tu quoque, since you couldn't actually respond to the argument you just turned it into insults against me. But it's fine. Keep using your anecdotal thoughts to prove your points. It definitely helps to prove your point and make you look worth your weight.

I'm sorry...you bringing up the fact that you bought a $45k Audi is not showing off or being high brow but me saying that me buying a car around the same price range from the same manufacturer is? Are you out of your mind? I didn't say the dealer thinks the customer is ****. I said it shows how much the dealership cares about their customers repeat business and future service when they don't fill up the tank. Simple things like that show the customer they care. There's a reason the best dealerships in the world do little things like that all the time. You also buy new Audis at Volkswagen dealerships, European dealerships, and Import dealerships. There's a reason I asked if you bought yours at an actual Audi dealership. Honestly, all of your posts are basically just rhetoric to make yourself look great and tear down whomever doesn't agree with you. If you don't care to contribute to the topic and you just want to show your e-peen measurements just create a topic and get all your fanboys in there with you. Whether you understand it or not, I've brought up valid questions and issues and you've done nothing but "make points" about things that aren't even in the discussion and you've created your own arguments. That's the same "bully" mentality that is all the rage in discussion these days. Feigning help to put others down and make yourself look big.

From an Audi dealership? I bought an S4 and they filled up the tank before I left and gave me a card for $250 of gas too. I don't think it was a special deal, but it might have been the dealership. Either way, the last 5 vehicles I've bought new (except this one) I've gotten in with a freshly-filled gas tank. Like I said, I don't think it's a necessity...but it definitely shows what the dealership thinks about their customers.

BTW, on topic, I dropped the bike off today at Roush. I explained to the service manager that some of the levels seemed to be out of spec when I checked them and then told him about the two issues I have (that it has an issue starting when cold, and that I have a check engine light on) and he said the earliest I could get an appointment was sometime early next week. I left a voicemail for Rick saying that I'd bought multiple bikes from his dealership in the past and have used them for service for quite some time and then explained my issues. Within an hour he called me back and got me an appointment today. They said they'd be able to at least diagnose it by the end of today (they close at 8pm). Assuming it's something covered by warranty it's free but if not the charge is $90. If they say it's something not covered by warranty I'll be confused, but I'll have to cross that bridge if it comes.

Ahh lol ok continue on

That being said...it *IS* weird to buy a new vehicle and not get a full tank of gas. I've bought 2 new cars and two new bikes in the past 3 years and all of them have had a full tank of gas when I pulled out of the lot. It's a bit more than common courtesy...I'd say it's fairly expected. I'm not saying it's a necessity...but it shows exactly how much the service department, and therefore dealership, cares about making their customers happy. The little things are what shows that fact the most.

Well this topic is about a brand new bike...I was just saying I had issues with this dealership with a used bike a few years ago. The bike ended up being wonderful after the clutch was replaced, until I sold it. I was fine spending the $100 to get the clutch fixed since the rest of the bike was a dream. It's still one of the best bikes I've ever owned. Well they gave me the fibers, but didn't show me the steels. My guess is (if they really were bad) that the guy that owned it for a year stunted it and tried wheeling all over...good enough way to ruin the clutch quickly, and would also explain how he would trade it in after a year (since nobody would be willing to lose that much $$ in a year unless they knew they ruined the bike). Anyway, on the way home with the R6 I ripped on it twice -- once on the entrance ramp and once on a straight on the highway. It pulled fine and the clutch didn't slip at all. The next evening while riding 50mph down a street I went to give it a bit of gas to pass and the clutch slipped. Again, that was the only issue I ever had with that bike, and it didn't present itself until the following day. As for this one, I went over the basics (chain, fluid levels, etc...) and all looked fine when I first got home with the bike. The bike runs great, and it started wonderfully the first few days too. I no-longer have stands, so I couldn't easily check the oil level in the window, but it looked close enough when I was holding the bike and kneeling down. It looked a tad high, but I figured it was only because I wasn't sure if I was holding the bike straight. I've had no trouble with the clutch in this bike, that was a used bike I bought a few years ago...but thanks for sticking up. I'm not really sure why everybody is jumping on the rape train for this topic, but I'm fairly certain I'm being calm and fair about this. I'm not going into the dealership rolling heads...I'm expecting something I spent $12k on to work the way it's supposed to and to be prepped the way it's supposed to. It's literally the thing I paid for. First, Sebastian Bach wasn't even a singer. He's a composer. I don't even know how someone would get confused with that. Even if it's part of the joke, I'm not sure I get it. The bike that I'm having an issue with here (with the oil, the fuel, the possible ECU and sensor) is a brand-new 2013 model. It had 2 miles on it when I bought it. I'm not going to go over every aspect of the prep when I pick it up because that's literally what they're supposed to do (and what they said they did). After I got it home I looked at a majority of the points and made sure things were in spec, but without a dipstick or stands it's tough to measure exact oil level by yourself. I've had 3 bad experiences with this dealership, not one, which, AGAIN, I've mentioned multiple times. This is why I keep saying reading comprehension...because people seem to gloss over most of what I say and respond to things I haven't said. I don't blame the dealership for the ECU/butterfly nonsense since there's no way it would have presented itself in the initial check anyway...the only thing I really blame them for is the oil level. The fuel I don't like, but it's not a necessity. Deal...but I don't have any combs or switchblades.

That one I'm ok with. Same hair style as Chad Kroeger, but obviously a better choice.

Nickelback aside, the steels needed to be replaced. The fibers were worn to ****, but they said the steels were pretty worn too. Aside from spending a few hours at my dad's garage I didn't have another way of verifying it. I know how to use a micrometer, but I'm not going to take apart the clutch housing to verify what the dealership already told me. The $40 difference isn't worth the hour it would take to check. I tested the pressure with 2 different gauges, one digital and one analog. The analog was a shop gauge from Conrad's (there's one right down the street and I know a few guys that work there so I bummed the one from them). The ambient temp was 72F and the bike was completely cold (hadn't been ridden all day and sat in the garage). Oh, and RR keeps fuel in the garage, because they've filled up other bikes I've had at their service department without leaving the building.

What are you talking about? Who said I couldn't replace a clutch? I've replaced clutches on bikes before, as well as cars. They did the work because for $100 total they replaced it for me. That was cheaper than the clutch pack itself was. It wasn't a "here's a free clutch pack, but we can install it for $100"...it was either I buy one brand new (which, at the time, was around $130) and do it myself, or give them $100 and have them do it. I mentioned that part in literally the first post of the topic. Again, just like I said in my post, I don't care if he builds bikes by hand by metal-working pieces together. His history in the motorcycle industry doesn't mean all his attitude is acceptable. He still came into the topic giving me **** for things I didn't even say or do without even doing the research to understand what I was saying. Considering Kawasaki has already announced a partial recall in parts of the world for one of the exact problems I'm having and multiple people that were having the other issue I'm having have had it fixed in a certain way...I have a pretty good idea what needs done. Also, I'm assuming you meant Chad Kroeger, the lead singer from Nickelback. Clever.

I understand that, but after the ride home the clutch was bad enough that I couldn't get it above 15mph. I had to truck it to the dealership to replace the clutch pack. If they even rode it to the end of the street and back (quarter-mile, at most) they would have noticed it. Maybe they just started it up and made sure it ran, but that's still pretty ridiculous. Especially with the way that most sportbikes are treated, it should have been looked at at least 5 minutes more. It only had one owner and he traded it in at that dealership for (of course) a Hayabusa after owning it for a year.

To sum up: Issue #1: The butterfly valve is working correctly, but the ECU cannot detect its position because the sensor is most-likely defective. This causes the check engine light because it thinks the valve is busted, when in reality it's just the sensor. Issue #2: Engine stalls multiple times with a cold-start. Most-likely cause, according to Kawasaki, is the ECU needs either reflashed or replaced. The software in the version that was installed in production is faulty and mis-handles the choke on cold-starts. Dealership issues: Very little fuel after purchase (not a necessity, but still common practice), filled with too much oil, too much pressure in tires. These were all things that were/should have been performed during prep-work. These are all *SEPARATE* issues, only the last of which was caused by the dealership. The last issue I'll bring to the attention of the dealership tomorrow. They will all, however, be fixed at a different dealership with a more competent service department.

http://zx6r.com/zx6r/36037-2013-636-problems.html Try re-reading the post. The issue with the servo/STVA is what I believe is causing the error code (and therefore the check engine light), but the cold-start stalling is the ECU mis-handling the choke. The above post is what buyers of the 2013 ZX6R are being told (that they don't have the diagnostics software working for the 2013 model yet), and the below post shows that there's a partial recall for the ECU module: http://zx6r.com/zx6r/38150-2013-zx6r-issue-s-18.html Beyond all of that, I never said the check engine light had *ANYTHING* to do with what the dealership did in prep-work. Again, if you actually read the post you'll see that I attributed only the initial fuel and oil levels to the dealership. I said that if they missed that stuff than I don't trust they didn't miss anything else, but I specifically listed the issues with the ECU and servo or butterfly as manufacturer defects. And yes, 43lbs is only 3lbs over. Never did I say "it's 3lbs more than I want" -- I said it's 3lbs over the listed tire pressure. I ride exactly 0.5lbs under the listed pressure in both front and rear. Considering the rear tire is listed at 40lbs...43lbs is 3lbs over the listed pressure. All in all, keep thinking you're the information-giving master of the forum. It means nothing when you haven't taken the time to learn reading comprehension. Think what you want...You still responded to questions that I never asked, assumed answers to questions that I never brought up, and therefore assumed my pedigree. I don't really care if you own 5 dealerships worth of bikes...there's absolutely no reason to act like an *** when I've given no prompting for it. I know what I'm talking about when I brought up the issues...the problem is you didn't take the time to even read what I wrote and the parts you did read you mis-understood. Just because I discussed multiple issues doesn't mean they're all interconnected.

Crazy, I realize it was advice, but it was also out of context and he responded to a few things that I didn't even say. Saying I should "educate myself" assumes that I'm uneducated in the matter. As for expecting a certain level of quality, unless something has changed in the near past...it is, of course, a common belief that a dealership at least tests something before they sell it if they've purchased it used from someone. Why? Because if they never tested it they wouldn't even know how it performed. If they didn't know how it performed, they wouldn't buy it. I'm not saying they went through a few days of testing on the bike...just that when the guy traded it in they would have *had* to at least run it through a few tests if they were, in the least, competent. If you've ever seen a dealership that buys things without testing them, I'd like to know where it is so I can trade in 10 junkyard bikes.

Anyway, I didn't say I was going to demand anything. I said I wanted to see what they say, but I was going to want the ECU replaced. Pressuring them when they're not 100% is different from demanding =) And I also said I'm probably going to go to State 8 anyway, since at this point I don't really trust Roush. All of the servicing was done with the service manager present (I think his name was Eric? I don't remember), so I'd say it pretty much comes down to him. That's one of the responsibilities of his job.

Well no, that ~4Qt includes what was removed from the filter. I emptied the oil and changed the filter, then measured when I was done with everything. Still, it should be around 3.1Qt including the filter, according to the manual.

I should have used different words in my post, but your post comes across as fairly offensive. You don't know my pedigree, but because of that I'd say you should be a bit more polite in your answers. Either way, the oil light and check engine light shouldn't be coming on with less than 800 miles on the bike (and riding it in the break-in period...so definitely not hard miles). They overpumped the tires, they put in too much oil, and they put in about enough fuel to get home and then to work. I'm not going in yelling at them, but I definitely want them to do a check again. If they've skimped or missed on these very basic things, who knows what they did with the rest. I checked the clutch and throttle systems and made sure the chain and such are in good working order, but I shouldn't have to spend $12k to come home and spend 4 hours making sure everything is working correctly. This is basic maintenance that the dealership should have done correctly and obviously did not. Regardless of the fact that they were "close" in most regards, it's still shady maintenance. Riding on sport tires that are 3+lbs over the listed ratings is dangerous...taking a hard corner already puts stress on the edges of the grip patch -- doing so in over-inflated tires could = wreck.

So today I changed the oil anyway. I didn't want them doing it...instead I was just going to call Rick and tell him his service department sucks. Before I did, however, the check engine light came on. The bike runs wonderfully, but the light comes on every time I start the bike and stays on until I shut it off. I'm going to talk to them about that one tomorrow too. I've seen a few posts on forums saying that the butterfly servo on the exhaust can have a faulty sensor, which in turn causes a check engine light...but I'll have to see what the service department says. I'd like them to replace the ECU anyway, since 90% of the time I have to start the bike 2-3 times before it keeps running after it's been cold. Apparently it's an interconnected issue...the butterfly valve stays closed and the backpressure causes the bike to stall out because the ECU takes too long to manage the choke settings. Either way, I did the oil change and guess what? Not too little oil. *Way* too much. I took out just a hair short of 4Qt of oil...while the bike requires 3.1Qt when replacing the filter. I thought I couldn't see any oil in the window, but in actuality I couldn't see any air! It didn't look black in the window, so it just looked like it was a coating of oil on the window. Anyway, did the oil change and all looks well...but the engine light is still on. I think I'm going to call Rick and complain, then take the bike down the street to the new location of State 8. I've bought a few bikes there too (at their cuyahoga falls location) and their service department has always been *awesome*. They gave me an employee discount on a rear tire once because I was a veteran and they said they liked me. $120 for a brand new Q2

I think I'll do that. I'll call Monday morning and see what they say. This is purely ridiculous for a $13k purchase.

I've bought a few bikes from Rick Roush Motorsports in Medina before, but this was the last one...and I own't be going there for service in the future. I bought a 2013 ZX6R about a month ago from Rick Roush. The sale went easily (although the salesman seemed like a douche), and I love the bike itself. Now the problems. About 2 days after buying the bike, it was into the reserve. Apparently they only put 1.5Gallons into the bike during the prep. Wonderful. I then realized they pumped the tires through the roof (the front was 40 and the rear was 43). Then the oil light came on today at 800 miles. Monday morning I'll be calling Rick Roush and demanding an oil change, because if they did one at all they obviously did it wrong the first time. Oh, and a 2-year old R6 I bought from Rick Roush a few years ago had a completely-worn clutch when I bought it. They replaced it for $100 (they basically gave the parts free but charged me for labor), but I should have learned my lesson that day. Anyone else have issues with RR?

I was hoping to save a bit of money in buying a fender eliminator because I just spent money on a brand new bike (after buying two brand new cars in the past year and change)...so I went to eBay. I bought an LED-included Fender Eliminator kit from 'rrbarna' on eBay. It looked good in the pictures and it works with the stock rear turn-signals on the 2013 model, so I figured why not. I think it was around $58 after shipping. I got the kit today -- it's two pieces and a small bag of nuts and bolts...with no instructions what so ever. The LED module on the one piece has a very thin bi-wire line off of it with around 4ft of slack. First of all, it took me quite awhile to figure out that you have to take off pretty much all of the plastics on one side of the bike to reach the piece I needed...and also the seat if you don't want to spend quite a bit of time trying to get the pieces off without breaking them. This is very different from my last bike (06 R6) where I just opened the rear seat, took off the old tail stalk, screwed on the new one, and plugged in the basic connections. ANYWAY. I get everything apart and I start putting the pieces together before realizing that they give you *nothing* to put the stock rear turn signals onto the bracket they've supplied. The holes on the sides of the bracket fit *NOTHING* that comes with it, and pretty much nothing that exists on the bike. I had to use a bit of ingenuity and spare nuts+bolts to secure the turn signals into the ridiculous module they supply. I'm currently looking at just integrating the turn signals into the tail light instead of getting other LEDs. Beyond that, they supply no kind of 'plate' to cover up the extra holes on the underside of the tail -- the bracket they give you only uses two nuts, whereas the stock bracket used four and covered the line-in hole. For now I just threw a piece of electrical tape over the little section (nobody can see it anyway, but I don't want crap getting up into the tail). Is it worth it? Yes, probably. I saved at least $30 getting this bracket...but I probably spent an extra hour working on it than I would have it I'd ordered a different kit -- so it's kind of a wash in terms of how worthwhile my time is. Still, it seems like a good bracket and it definitely looks good on the bike -- there's virtually nothing to it. I won't include the before pics because this is a ZX6R...you know what it looks like.

Ha what's up man. Nice screen name. You don't seriously live in Dublin do you??

lol a very long time ago (probably junior high or early highschool) a girl I grew up with created it for me as my AOL screen name. At the time I was in a band (who wasn't at that age??) and I just kind of hung onto it. I've been using it for the past 15+ years haha

I actually don't even know his member name lol he told me to sign up that day but didn't say his name on the site.

Sorry lol put in the wrong text. The ZX10R was a 2004...the ZX9R before it was a 2001. I updated my signature while I was watching YouTube videos I didn't realize this topic had gotten replies! I live on the west-side of Cleveland (Westpark, to be more exact) and I'm down to go for some rides anytime people want. I just got in my gel grips today, so I can put a bit longer rides on this new bike. I was in an accident in like 2008 that destroyed my right hand (from the wrist down) -- it's totally fine now, but I have arthritis. Without the gel grips I generally am not comfortable after like 40 minutes. Looking to put these on today and be happy again! They're the same grips I had on my R6 and I was good for a few hours on it, so I'm thinking the same should be true here. Now I'm just waiting on the fender eliminator so I can get rid of that stalk...