92SS3908

I just joined not long ago you probably saw a pic from my oven post. The cowl hood is new since then.

I didn't realize you had your car at the show. I remember you said you had a 98 Z but never made the connection. Nice car I like the wheels.

Got it. I agree with you there, I read pressure you read vacuum, but same idea. I'm not quite following what you are saying here but here's how I understand the PCV valve. It is a simple check valve with a lightweight that allows air to flow from the crankcase to the throttle body below the throttle blades. The valve gets seated if flow is the other way around (in case of a backfire so the flame does not go into the crankcase and ignite the potentially flammable gasses in the crankcase.) So when the throttle is closed pressure difference between the crankcase and the manifold is at its greatest making flow greatest. There is no reason for that valve to close off. I think the hose you are referring to on the late model stuff is the breather hose which allows filtered air to enter the crankcase as the PCV draws it out. The blow by you are talking about is what the PCV is designed to evacuate and hopefully sometime today when I do a pressure check on the crankcase under load we'll know how much of a vacuum it can pull with a restricted breather. No the PCV does not click or buzz at idle as far as I know. It was replaced within the last year or two. And I don't know about signs of oil I didn't specifically look.

I have a PCV system. It’s a simple hose going from one valve cover to the manifold. I think you have it backwards on manifold air pressure. Under WOT the pressure in the manifold approaches atmospheric (I’ve recorded right around 96kPa atmospheric=100kPa). During decel the throttle plates are closed yet the engine is still trying to pull air so pressure goes low (I’ve recorded as low as 18kPa under high rpm heavy decel). So with that into consideration the crankcase is exposed to that low pressure and I did check the breather it is not clogged but restricted so it may not be able to keep up with what the PCV is drawing, so although crankcase pressure will not be as low as manifold pressure it will still be low. As for the force this will create we aren't talking about suction there's no such thing. Its pressure differential from outside to inside. Pressure outside is higher than inside so in pushes in, not the inside pulling. Although I do not have the exact numbers, which is what I will be measuring when I get back to the car, here's a scenario to explain my theory. Let’s say the front diameter of the crank is 1.5 inches that’s an area of 1.767 square inches. Let’s say the back diameter is 4.5 inches that’s an area of 15.904 square inches. The front area will cancel the back so the area that can act on the crank is the front area minus the back area which is 14.137square inches. Now calculate pressure. If the crankcase pulled down to 30kPa that is equal to 4.41 psi. Atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 psi approximately 14.3 psi here in Ohio. That’s a pressure difference of 9.89psi. Multiply the pressure by the area and you get a forward force of 141.6lbs. That’s a significant amount of force pushing the crank forward and a possible cause of failure. If you're talking about pistons in the wrong bore that isn't possible we marked all of them as they came out and double checked that when we tore the engine apart after the first failure. Even if they were slightly off (which I don't think they are) I’m told by my engine builder it shouldn't be a problem. On Pro Stock engines the crank journals were offset from the bores on purpose and it did not cause a problem. Factory spec is 5-8 thousands and some race engines are even higher than that. Also please understand I’m not trying to shoot down everything you say I’m just trying to think through this logically. I have thought about a possible rod problem and bad crank grind and plan on doing more checking on that. I’m just trying to search every possibility so I don’t get everything back together and have to replace another bearing. Thank you for all suggestions thus far. Keep them coming.

All i'm saying is the possibility is there because the facts are the rear surface of the crank is larger than the front surface. This is true on the one piece but not the two piece that the only reason I mentioned the seal. And yes I know its not likely that i'm pulling enough vacuum but it is possible if the crankcase is sealed (or almost sealed due to a clogged breather) becasue manifold pressure does get low enough during high rpm decel. They the rods and pistons are stock the only thing that was done during the rebuild was stronger rod bolts and the big end resized so the pin position shoudn't be a problem, it was never taken out.

I know there are cars out there with neg crankcase pressure but with my block, using the one piece rear main seal the rear area of the crank is greater than the front so there is potential for a pressure differential. In the older/ aftermarket blocks that area difference from front to back is not very big so the pressures more or less equal out. I know it’s a long shot. I don't think it’s a rod problem because that should show up as an abnormal wear pattern on the cylinder walls which was not evident when we took the engine apart after the first failure. Did the internals of the trans move forward because of something that broke? Also what kind of trans was it?

Any ideas on internal engine problems? Thus far we haven't come up with much the only long shot idea we have had is if the breather is restricted under decel there could be a large vacuum building in the crankcase. The rear sealing surface of the crank is bigger than the front so if the pressure in the crankcase gets low enough the crank could be forced forward but to have enough force to do any damage we're going to have to see some very low pressures. We're going to put a gauge on it soon and see what it reads under decel. As for the trans, in the incident you've seen what do you know what caused the input shaft to walk forward?

Trans is a 700R4 (4L60) brand new Coan 2500 stall converter was installed before the latest failure. Stock serpentine belt system: air pump delete, a/c compressor is there but not hooked up, alternator, and water pump.

With the trans bolted to the block, the torque converter bolts out and the converter pushed all the way back there is about a 3/16-1/4 inch of clearance between the flexplate and the converter bolt pads. From what I've read thats what it should be so that should cause any force.

So I got my new engine (350 small block) together about a month ago and ran it for a little on the street doing some tuning and such then dumped the oil to see what it was looking like and is was slightly metallic had chips in the filter. We took the engine back out and tore it apart and found the thrust surface on the rear bearing was completely worn (down to the steel shell in one spot). After asking around we were told the excess thrust could have been caused by torque converter ballooning, so we got a new Coan converter. The thrust surface on the crank also seemed rough so we got it polished. Got the engine back in Thursday and ran it up and down the street a couple times then dumped the oil and again it was metallic. Checked the endplay on the crank and it was at 24 thousands it should be, and started at 8, so we ate through another bearing. The only odd thing I noticed Thursday was a shutter in the higher rpms, somewhere above 5000, on the one full throttle test I did. Anyone run across this problem? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Since the post said 4L60 I assumed he was not running the electric transmission (4L60E). But you are correct the ebl flash system will not run an electric transmission.

Before you go any further on prom burning I would suggest looking into dynamic efi: http://http://www.dynamicefi.com/ Send your ecu in and they put in a new board that uses a flash based memory rather than a prom, increases the performance, and allows for a full range of tuning and data logging. Search EBL or EBL Flash on thirdgen.org for more information. I've been running this system on my Camaro for about a year now and I am very happy with it. You shouldn't have any problems with your setup. I would recommend a wide band O2 sensor if you don't have one already regardless of the tuning system, if you will be doing it yourself.

The dynamic efi system is great I would highly recommend it. After this winter's mods I will be running a big block throttle body with 90lb injectors. I was wondering if anyone would notice that. A friend works at a vinyl shop and they scanned the S from RS then printed the letters on brushed aluminum vinyl. Right now they are just the stickers which looked good so I left it at that but I also have the vinyl letters with adhesive on both sides and a set of emblems I polished the letters off so I can replicate factory badges.

Thanks for the comments and rep everyone No I don't have the 5 speed parts I sold all of it together just after I took it out.

best guess Big Walnut

Where did you go?

You should come to the track day in april. It will be a good way to meet alot of the members I would definitely be interested in a track day. I'm at the track every weekend anyway.

that was at high school nationals a year ago, we raced as a team and each time you won a round you got a point for your school. I went to Olentangy High School

Hi all. I've lived in central Ohio all my life and I'm currently a first year student at OSU. I've been drag racing for 12 years, starting when I was eight in the Jr Drag Racing League and now Sportsman/Street classes. Now in to the important stuff. 3 years ago I bought a 1992 Camaro RS. It was a 305 TBI with a five speed and shortly thereafter my dad and I started with modifications. Since the car is built to be a competitive track car the first mod was to take out the 5 speed and swap it for a built 700R4. I know, opposite of what everyone else does but consistency is key in bracket racing so an auto is better in that regard. I took it to the track a couple times and it was slow: mid 16s. The next winter we did bodywork. Jack Maxton body shop did the metalwork: quarter panel skins and fixed rust around the windshield. Then we did the priming, blocking, and painting and I refurbished and polished the wheels. Next we started on power. I got a 5.7 from a 1999 suburban, was in good shape but had over 200,000 miles. It had the vortec heads so had decent power for a factory engine. I put on shorty headers, 3inch all the way back to a flowmaster 40. We kept the TBI and got the factory redone by Dynamic efi, so it is now flash based and fully tune able from the laptop. Also installed sub frame connectors. Ran that setup last year and it did well. Ran low 14s best pass was a 14.00 at 96. This year we took the engine out to freshen it. Got it honed (only 0.001in wear after 205,000 miles and a season of racing!), five angle valve job, and got the seats cut for more lift, all bearing replaced. We got everything back and did some slight porting on the heads, then put it back together: stock pistons, stock rods, stock crank (had to be ground, race grid by fowler), lt4 hot cam kit (lt4 hot cam, lt4 springs, 1.6 full roller alum. rockers), one piece pushrods, and new valve covers. Still have to put it back in the car. Spring break project, then it will need tuned. Should be right around 400hp and 425ft lb of torque which should put it right around mid to high 12s. Other mods from this winter were new Moser axles, new diff cover with set screws to put pressure on the bearing caps, a driveshaft loop, added four temp sensors and a gauge, and I got a 3in cowl hood which we still need to paint. I think that’s about it here's some pics http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/92SS3908/CamaroatMarina008.jpg?t=1236991661 http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/92SS3908/CamaroatMarina001.jpg?t=1236991817 http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/92SS3908/CamaroatMarinaI072II.jpg?t=1236993249 [/img] http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/92SS3908/2008NorwalkHighSchoolNationals062.jpg?t=1236993793 http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww66/92SS3908/2008NorwalkHighSchoolNationals063.jpg?t=1236993970