i feel the need to comment on brians posts.. with out tagging a bunch of them i'll just hit on a few points... and what i think of them from a CR standpoint (albiet a first year CR) 1. Advanced needs instructors too.. once you hit that group your not the best.. if you were then you would be then you would hopefully be doing more than just track days... with that said... i hate how nesba makes only Racers in Adv. I might not have the quickest times out there but im consistant and predictable. 2. I am a CR and deff not a Advanced CR, I work in Novice and Intermediate with Ducati Indy, and the little timet hat i do get to work on my own skills in Advanced I do so without wearing my vest. 3. in the novice meeting i always tell people were im pitted and for those that dont get to hear it in the INT. level i actually hang my vest ont he front of my easy up so people passing by can stop by and ask for help. i have gotten a lot of positive feedback from this.. 4. I will always try my best to assist some one when out there.. i'll pick up anyone i can after getting 1/2 lap behind them see how they do following me for 1 lap then if they still arent getting it i will pull them tot he pits for 30 seconds to help explain it to them... then back out we go, if they had done well i wontpull them in and continue with them so i can tell them later.. or move on depending on how well they responded. 5. to the original posting.. passing is passing in advanced for me.. I'm not a racer, i want to be. and technically i passed the MCRA "race school" just never did anything with it.. BUT its a track day not a race. passing should always be clean, but its going to be close and sometimes closer than the other person would like, but as long as your not stuffing some one up and bumping and grinding im ok with it... i've had more bumped elbows in intermediate at MO (before i was bumped by BamBam early last year) than i ever have had in Advanced.. im sure there is more but i feel like im rambling