fusion

Because Microsoft will?

PS: My Mac still rocks.

You mean other than the fact that they provide Malware protection and shit tons of malware support available?

Mac's are for people who are too dumb to own a PC.

You got anything to back that up keeping in mind I said IT Security? Or are you just a dumbass troll?

Learn to Google fucktard...

I sent this earlier to my son. He is one of the countries premier IT security experts, and that is not just fatherly pride speaking. Director of Diebold's IT Security. Youngest Director they have ever had. Kid can speed dial Kevin Mitnick on his cell...any of the famous folks you would think of in that field. He only uses Mac's. Here is his reply to me sending this story to him. And he is right.

"Pssshhhh, don't be hating on them... we have 234093284032984230498329043282304823832492438 less pieces of malware then you windows folks :)"

If any of you are in the IT security field you should hit is conference in the fall. He is the first name in the video. It is an over the top list of speakers.

www.derbycon.com

Diebold's security notoriously sucks FWIW

How to fix (and forestall future attacks using the same entry method)

Nice that Safari auto-opens "safe" files by default...

'Course, you then had give it the Admin password - so the blame falls mostly on the user, as usual.

You mean like with nearly all malware?

and Apple won't even help you.

http://gizmodo.com/5803498/apple-to-customer-service-dont-help-our-customers-with-malware

Good thing I don't vote Democrat. Don't vote Republican either...or Libertarian...or Independent.

Anyone that buys Yamaha products is a supporter of communism.

I never said people primarly own fire arms to make them feel like tough guys or bad ass. I asked a question with a few simple examples. Don't mix your internal conflicts with my questioning and presume you know what I can and cannot handle.

Here, let me rephrase the question for ya. Do you own fire arms because of self defense purposes, just because you like to shoot, makes you feel like a bad ass, gives you a hard on, etc. I honestly am curious as to why people own firearms.

Is that better for you Fusion?

I'm not mixing any personal internal conflicts, you're the one when giving examples only listed ones surrounding weapons making someone feel like Billy Badass.

It's a little better, but you still sound like you have issues.

Oh, I handled it just fine. Did you?

Apparently you didn't if you think the primary reasons people might own firearms is to feel like "a tough guy" or "a bad ass".

Off topic ever so slightly, but why do you all have the desire to own weapons? I have nothing against them and have owned my fair share in the past so don't think I'm anti-gun or anything. It's just that since I have partaken in a few shoot outs during my tour in Iraq and have seen the devastation weaponry can cause (serious injury, death, etc), I haven't had the desire to pick another one up since and I understand it's from my own personal experiences as to why I don't. I'm just curious as to why you all own guns. Does it make you feel like a tough guy, a bad ass, or what? What are your reasons?

Sorry you couldn't handle it.

Of course Chevy supports it. An American (????) Socialist bailed THEM out. Disclosure: We own an '03 Chevy Avalanche, and love it, but will not buy another one, even with my father-in-laws GM discount. Won't buy any Chrysler-related product either. All the talk of both of their "new profits", but no intent to pay "us" back. I would buy a Ford in a heartbeat (now that Chevy is the Chinese Heartbeat, instead of The Heartbeat of America).

Turns my stomach. Literally.

George Bush is an American (????) Socialist?

Slingshot

Tire iron

You don't need a case for your Droid X. Mine has been through a ton and only has a few scratches on it.

It's Twosday!!!!!

jbot is my mostest stupid fucking retarded thread starter evar.

i'm half doing it to discourage active security clearance holders that might want to chime in with their $1.85 to give their argument a sense of validity... i had a friend who was a bit too... "excited" about his/her new job and went and blabbed to their friends about general descriptions of what they'd be doing and what department, etc with a TS clearance, and had to submit names for damage control lol. some of our friends had dual citizenship back then. yup.

the other half is because to really be able to say one way or the other, one would have to go into some amount of detail to be able to make a real statement and not just essentially have to stop at "I know about these things, I've done X and X type of work... trust me, I'm a doctor" and then the camera pans out and its fucking Dr Dre drinking dr pepper.

Ah gotcha, makes sense.

people who actually know what goes on with these things (and the security clearance to go with it) would know better than to open their yaps about it.

Nothing wrong with talking about some of the more common sense and public knowledge portions of these types of things...

I'm not sure what you "could not let this go" since it's apparent you don't realize just the extent of what it takes for an operation like this and how the teams can't be "very involved in all stages of their operations". They wouldn't actually have time to perform their role if they had to deal with being involved in every aspect.

Well for one I have served in a supporting role on multiple teams with ODA’s, so I kind of know what “extent” it does take for operations like this to be conducted. The teams may not know the exact identity of the target until the final moments of planning but are given the freedom to plan their portion of the operation around that HVT (high value target). Sure they are only a portion of the planning but you blanket stated that “SEAL teams are about as involved in the planning as the hijackers were.” This is correct to some extent that the hijackers planned and executed their portion of the attacks. However that does not fit the bill with our SF community, they are allowed more free reign over their portions of the operations, and their input on the overall scope and direction is valued based on the experience.

a) I was making a point by comparing the two.

b) you basically just said what I said - "they are allowed more free reign over their portions of the operations, and their input on the overall scope and direction is valued based on the experience". This is generally true of most peoples roles in any decent organization.

I haven’t posted here in a while but could not let this go. The Special Forces community is actually very involved in all stages of their operations, from planning to execution. So comparing them to the 9/11 hijackers is moot.

Saying "very" here is an overstatement of their involvement. Involved at some point sure, but only when needed and to the extent needed. There is ton that goes on that teams aren't very aware of at all because it doesn't impact their role.

There's a reason they were training on a mock up without knowing who they were going after initially. There are a lot of details that in the end don't impact the ground team's job.

There are probably 100's of people that were involved that at the time didn't know what they were playing a role in and won't ever be considered for any credit in the operation.

I'm not sure what you "could not let this go" since it's apparent you don't realize just the extent of what it takes for an operation like this and how the teams can't be "very involved in all stages of their operations". They wouldn't actually have time to perform their role if they had to deal with being involved in every aspect.

Bush and Obama both deserve some credit, the advisors and intel communities of both presidents deserve way more credit than either have been given. The operation is a sum of all parts, not just the bottom or top rung.

That was kind of my point.

You're joking, right?

You realize the SEAL teams are about as involved in the planning as the hijackers were right?

You also realize the OBL wasn't the planner of 9/11 right?

You have any idea how many people it takes for an operation like this?

To sum it down to just the end executing components is ridiculous.

Actually, the hijackers had nothing to do with the planning... they were just sheep doing what they were told would get them to heaven.

Just like the SEAL team.

it wasn't any of the presidents.... it was an anonymous SEAL team member who should be commended for the kill... the president just gave the ok... end of story, it's soldiers that do the real killing...

OBL just gave the OK... end of story, it's the hijackers that did the real killing.

I had Woodcraft on my last '08 and they were awesome. It was my first time cutting anything like fairings and it was much easier than I thought it would be.

Woah woah woah... I've had sex with Fusion and I can tell you he is 99% straight

I would bet those that don't care are those that haven't served.

I've served and don't care.

Now STFU and get back in your closet.