i havent been on any group rides with you guys, but the ones i have been on with another forum group on 64/65 and 105 is single file anything over 100 m.p.h. and donot pass or come around on the right because we will not be look'n for ya there.....in 6 years theres only been 4 crashes that i know of(all minor runoffs but 1)... the faster guys are always up front and pull away, do there thing and wait at the next stop sign.. but the one thing that pisses me off, is some squid try'n to keep up with us that has no clue about holding a line, body positioning, and apexing corners... all i can say, is if you take me out and im still able to move,ya better be ready to get your ass kicked hard... but in all honesty, since ive been do'n trackdays now for a few years, street riding is kinda lame anymore..it aint worth the risk or the tickets.. just remember, what might seem crazy fast and out of control to some people/squids,its well within the limits of the rider doing it..