Thanks Justin, very close to what I was wanting to say last night. I do have a few things to add though. Unions were not formed to protect the workers. They were formed to get fair wages for the workers. And yes, the members on the bottom of the seniority roster sometimes have to suffer for the greater good of the majority of the members. If I can get 40 members a $2/hr raise by cutting a couple off the bottom, then so be it. Why should I have to suffer just to keep someone else employed? Seriously? This statement is so stupid that it doesn't deserve a response. How is management responsible for quality? All they do is sit in their climate controlled office while the laborers are out busting their balls See right here? You were generalizing all Unions. I would agree that alot of Unions have indeed outlasted their usefulness. I posted just that earlier in this thread. However, the rest of your statement is completely false. If Unions disappeared, the companies would try to get the most profit with minimal cost. Who gets screwed there? The workers who now get their wages cut and have to work longer hours and 7 days a week. Dont believe me? They did it to us, which is the reason for our voting in a Union.