Popular Post C-bus Posted January 18, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Enjoy.... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.504 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 I thought it was about hunting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Funny... however, many founding fathers, most notably jefferson never intended for their laws to outlive them. They felt each generation should be free to rewrite their own laws, pass their own amendments. Most clearly stated as such. "Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 Funny... however, many founding fathers, most notably jefferson never intended for their laws to outlive them. They felt each generation should be free to rewrite their own laws, pass their own amendments. Most clearly stated as such. "Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right."You would think they would have made constitutional changes more fluid and easier to accomplish then. Apparently there was disagreement among the ranks...assuming you're not full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 The plan was for them to expire after 19 years, apparently there wasn't consensus on that. Doesn't mean that jefferson was wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 A constitution is akin to the skeletal structure of the human body. The fat, muscle, tissue can change over time, but it takes a deliberate and forceful act to change bone structure. I believe that was the intent of the framers as a whole, individual dissent aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Funny... however, many founding fathers, most notably jefferson never intended for their laws to outlive them. They felt each generation should be free to rewrite their own laws, pass their own amendments. Most clearly stated as such."Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right." Quoting out of context? Google search! In the same letter he also said "Then, no generation can contract debts greater than may be paid during the course of its own existence." Read the letter, it is clear he is asking for an opinion from James Madison. http://classicliberal.tripod.com/jefferson/mad02.html Madison, who was a "Federalist" was trying to increase the power of the Federal government at the time. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/peopleevents/pande05.html Edited January 21, 2015 by Strictly Street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 The plan was for them to expire after 19 years, apparently there wasn't consensus on that. Doesn't mean that jefferson was wrong though.go suck some obama dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Quoting out of context? Google search!In the same letter he also said "Then, no generation can contract debts greater than may be paid during the course of its own existence."Read the letter, it is clear he is asking for an opinion from James Madison.http://classicliberal.tripod.com/jefferson/mad02.htmlMadison, who was a "Federalist" was trying to increase the power of the Federal government at the time.http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/duel/peopleevents/pande05.htmlThis wasn't an isolated quote from jefferson. "Let us provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods. What these periods should be nature herself indicates. By the European tables of mortality, of the adults living at any one moment of time, a majority will be dead in about nineteen years. At the end of that period, then, a new majority is come into place; or, in other words, a new generation. Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself that received from its predecessors; and it is for the peace and good of mankind that a solemn opportunity of doing this every nineteen or twenty years should be provided by the constitution, so that it may be handed on with periodical repairs from generation to generation to the end of time, if anything human can so long endure." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:42 Edited January 22, 2015 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) He just said that so he could get what he wanted. Politics....Hey, sign this, Uh im not so sure, look it can change later if you don't like it, Haha gotcha.... Nineteen OR twenty years....Hahahhahahahhah Edited January 22, 2015 by Gump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 And another "The idea that institutions established for the use of the nation cannot be touched nor modified even to make them answer their end because of rights gratuitously supposed in those employed to manage them in trust for the public, may perhaps be a salutary provision against the abuses of a monarch but is most absurd against the nation itself. Yet our lawyers and priests generally inculcate this doctrine and suppose that preceding generations held the earth more freely than we do, had a right to impose laws on us unalterable by ourselves, and that we in like manner can make laws and impose burdens on future generations which they will have no right to alter; in fine, that the earth belongs to the dead and not the living." --Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Everyone, look at the staunch libertarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 "guns are good"....Thomas Jefferson to his bottom slave October 9, 1775 5:11 psalm 6 Revelations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 "The generations of men may be considered as bodies or corporations. Each generation has the usufruct of the earth during the period of its continuance. When it ceases to exist, the usufruct passes on to the succeeding generation free and unencumbered and so on successively from one generation to another forever. We may consider each generation as a distinct nation, with a right, by the will of its majority, to bind themselves, but none to bind the succeeding generation, more than the inhabitants of another country." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1813. ME 13:270 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I guess he lost that vote, eh? Want to change the constitution? Go for it. There is a process.....spelled out IN the constitution. Jefferson's musings are irrelevant. Edited January 23, 2015 by C-bus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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