Guest stvbreal Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 There are many kits out there and I just wanted to get some input from you guys. I'm not quite sure which one to go with. All of them seem pretty damn good. But maybe some of you can give some advice. Prices vary like crazy from $2k to $5k. I always say you get what you pay for but the one for $2k and some change are decent. BR440 for instance. The BR500 is also very good but a but laggy. I want decent power with less lag as possible. As soon as I make a decision I'm ordering it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Hupp Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 How "laggy", depends on your a/r. if you want low rpm spool, go with a .48 a/r. Did you check AGP? Are both of the Buschur upgrades twin scrolls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 can i have your stock turbo when you switch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stvbreal Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Buschur kits are not twin scroll. I'll check AGP. Thanks for the info. Orion, you can't have my stock turbo but I can sell it to you for real cheap. [ 29. September 2004, 11:55 AM: Message edited by: EvilEvo ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike C Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 If you think a BR500 (50 trim) is laggy then I don't really think anything is going to make you happy. I haven't heard that AGP is doing anything for the EVO yet. I think SFP does make an EVO T3 mani which is what their kits use. If you want 50 trim like pull with a little better spool, then I would look at a GT30R. Or you could do a 50 trim but do a .48 A/R on the exhaust housing. How fast do you really want to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stvbreal Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 I've never experienced the BR500 peronally but have heard from many that it is laggy so I can't say that it is untill I feel for myself. That may be the turbo to go with, don't know. I have seen dyno charts where boost is full spool at around 5-5.5k RPM. That's pretty late. Breaking the 400WHP barrier is a good goal for now, with spool close to stock. But I know as soon as I hit that barrier that I will want to go higher. But that will do, for now. I know other things will have to be taken care of, replaced, during the upgrade path and I'm prepared to address them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harris92 Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 You should look into forcedperformance.net They have a turbo they are offering now with better spoolup than stock. Its called the Evo 6.5 rs T.M.E titanium shaft turbocharger and its also lighter than the stock turbo. This turbo seems fitting to your goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragknee66 Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Steve... lag schmag... Find some kit with a ball bearing turbo option if your worried about lag. Lag isnt such a bad thing anyways, think about all the times you hit boost just driving normally. I know it annoyed me to death. Having an upgraded turbo that sees full boost by 4k-4500 is great for the street. I hit 20 psi on that 3055 setup I had by 3800rpms. 2 days after I sold it, that rich mofo in NC threw it on an awd dyno and put down 400hp on 19psi/93oct. So full boost before 4k, and put down great pump gas power. (thank you 2g eprom chip) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike C Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Originally posted by EvilEvo: I've never experienced the BR500 peronally but have heard from many that it is laggy so I can't say that it is untill I feel for myself. That may be the turbo to go with, don't know. I have seen dyno charts where boost is full spool at around 5-5.5k RPM. That's pretty late. Breaking the 400WHP barrier is a good goal for now, with spool close to stock. But I know as soon as I hit that barrier that I will want to go higher. But that will do, for now. I know other things will have to be taken care of, replaced, during the upgrade path and I'm prepared to address them. Then I would get a 50 trim in a .48 A/R or A GT30R. My advice, no matter what you get, choose a T3 manifold and external now that you will be happy with for a while. That way you can go bigger down the road with a lot of turbo choices and you won't have to change your entire exhaust setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500HP RX-7 Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Steve, I put the AMS GT35R on my EVO and really like it. I get 21 lbs by 4300 RPM. If you are looking for big power then anything is going to be laggy over the stock turbo. I heard the BR440 is a good turbo if you dont want alot of lag. Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stvbreal Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Hey Jason, how much can you get the AMS GT35R for? PM me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest doggunracing Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Originally posted by DragKnee66: Steve... lag schmag... Find some kit with a ball bearing turbo option if your worried about lag. Lag isnt such a bad thing anyways, think about all the times you hit boost just driving normally. I know it annoyed me to death. Ball bearings won't help with lag. The turbo hits a certain boost point based and the flow characteristics of the turbo. The new GT wheels will help with lag. BB helps transient response. This is going from vacuum to boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragknee66 Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Just a couple informational sites that explain how precision made ball bearing center cartridges help reduce friction compaired to fluid bearings. http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0303tur_ser/ http://www.fact-index.com/t/tu/turbocharger.html http://www.stealth316.com/2-turboguide.htm http://www.mcnallyinstitute.com/CDweb/b-html/b011.htm http://www.all-science-fair-projects.com/science_fair_projects_encyclopedia/Turbo-charger#Lag http://wwwrsphysse.anu.edu.au/~amh110/turbo_page.htm http://www.se-r.net/car_info/project_cars/searl_tate/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Red Evo Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 I believe BR is dropping the BR500 and only going with the BR440 and BR580. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike C Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Originally posted by EvilEvo: Hey Jason, how much can you get the AMS GT35R for? PM me. Do you have any clue how big a GT35R is on a 2.0 motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stvbreal Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 It's pretty damn big yes, I'm just wondering what it cost. Not that I am going in that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Hupp Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 The 50-trim w/ .48A/R does sound like a good choice. I went with the 50-trim / .63 A/R. and I think it spools just fine. But I also have a 2.4L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike C Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 You'll get 20 PSI around 3300-3500RPM on a 50 trim in a .48 A/R on a 2.0l DSM/EVO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Talk to Mark at Quantum Racing. His Evo is sick! He also has a customer that dumped 30k in one that he races at Mid Ohio. I have heard Mark is putting his stock turbo on his car so he can race at mid ohio. If you have not been there it is a top notch shop, very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike C Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Originally posted by SpaceGhost: Talk to Mark at Quantum Racing. His Evo is sick! He also has a customer that dumped 30k in one that he races at Mid Ohio. I have heard Mark is putting his stock turbo on his car so he can race at mid ohio. If you have not been there it is a top notch shop, very nice. Any idea what kind of lap times the 30k modded EVO turns at Midohio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stvbreal Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 30k in mods? Good god!! That's overkill I think. I've been to Quantum. Those guys installed my cams. Good guys, nice shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Red Evo Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Originally posted by Mike C: Any idea what kind of lap times the 30k modded EVO turns at Midohio? I would guess still slower than a race prep T1 Z06. Top ones run in the 37's on the club course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stvbreal Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 The AMS GT2871R looks decent. Quick spool. Nice gains. Not too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 can i buy your stock turbo/IC when you upgrade? PM me if so.' Thanks Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverEvo8owner Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 also you should look at the ATP turbo kits I thinking about a 3037s or 3071 but hell i might go with a gt35 too lol i think the kits start at $2399 and 2699 for the GT 35R externally wastegated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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