kirks5oh Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 we'll see what happens this spring. i was determined to leave the stock tune on my '05, but these results are hard to argue with. i've got a K&N intake, and an SLP catback--a tune would help quite a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboNova Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Thats awesome Brian, cant wait to have you tune the fiero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medium fast Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Dan, after I get parts, and you and Brian help me get my car back together we need to race. haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I call BS. There is no way that car gained 55 hp on a CAI, gutted cats and a tune. The chart is what it is but somethings really wrong. That's more then 04s get with CAI, catback, LTs and a tune. I don't know what the air temperature was yesterday but I'm guessing that obviously affected the results. It will not hold up when the temp drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM Brian Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I expect the power to come down to somewhere in the 340 range (SAE Corrected) in the summertime. You will notice that the sides of the graph say actual power. The temps inside the shop were close to 50's. Now that being said. his 301 number was recorded in late october again using actual not corrected. His stock timing was around 19 BTDC at 5400 rpms. His timing is now 24-25 degrees. There is no need for me to screw with the numbers. It is what it is. I am sure there are a number of people in this thread alone that will agree that I did not do anything to mess with the numbers. Only way I could of gotten the power to go up is to put a heater inside where the weather station is for the dyno and get it up to about 150 degrees and show the numbers in SAE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 ...well that cars putting down way more rwtq then cam'ed 04 goats are so it's pretty unbelievable. ...and I've seen a lot of goats dynoed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM Brian Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 He is talking about doing a cam. I guess we will have to wait and see what kind of power it makes this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybye Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 wtf???? ive never seen numbers like that with such minimal mods. its a challenge to get that power with LT's and a tune. what software did you use to tune the car? anyways great numbers either way..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTM Brian Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 HP Tuners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProwlerZ Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 A good dyno tune is probably the most important detail of any well rounded car, congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKilbourne Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I expect the power to come down to somewhere in the 340 range (SAE Corrected) in the summertime. You will notice that the sides of the graph say actual power. The temps inside the shop were close to 50's. Now that being said. his 301 number was recorded in late october again using actual not corrected. His stock timing was around 19 BTDC at 5400 rpms. His timing is now 24-25 degrees. There is no need for me to screw with the numbers. It is what it is. I am sure there are a number of people in this thread alone that will agree that I did not do anything to mess with the numbers. Only way I could of gotten the power to go up is to put a heater inside where the weather station is for the dyno and get it up to about 150 degrees and show the numbers in SAE. Considering that I was standing next to Brian the whole time the car was on the dyno, I'm going to have to say that he did nothing to mess with numbers. All he did was put a much better tune in the car. The car had a garbage tune in it to begin with. I don't know what car X, with mods X,Y,and Z normally puts down, but I do know what numbers this one put down. We all agreed that air temp was very good and that the numbers would probably go down 5-10 rwhp in hotter temps. I thought that the numbers seemed high, but I was extremely impressed with numbers. It wasn't like Brian waved the magic wand and presto it went from 301 to 355. He went through and progressively changed things in the tune and each time we watched the results on the graph. There is no need to call BS on this. If you choose not to believe the #'s then don't. We will just have to wait for a track to open and see how the #'s translate to E.T. and trap speed. All being said, Brian did an excellent job and he most certainly did not change any #'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I call BS. I'll see your BS and raise you: Years of knowing and working with Brian long enough to know he is not a shady character. We could make this thread 11 pages long with vouchers to back up Brian, his business, and his work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyctsv Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 High, yes - unreasonable / impossible - no. My LS1 dyno'd 332 RWHP with only a lid and cat-back (cats left in place and unmolested) on Brian's dyno. That was without a tune and that is a SAE corrected number. It is reasonable to believe he picked up 25 RWHP or so with a tune, no cats, and without being SAE corrected. For comparison my car dyno'd 383 SAE corrected with a cam - 393 actual RWHP (no correction). I have had my car to the track and the trap speeds validate the power Brian's dyno showed. Nice work Brian! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I'll see your BS and raise you: Years of knowing and working with ... That's funny ...your only 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I'll see your BS and raise you: Years of knowing and working with Brian long enough to know he is not a shady character. We could make this thread 11 pages long with vouchers to back up Brian, his business, and his work. Didn't even imply anything shady just that it was wrong. temperature, calibration or something else...who knows. There is the case of fat nick on LS1GTO.com who had his LS2 car dynoed and jumped from 341/337 to 383/376 with basical no changes...it was eventually resolved to be invalid. This sounds the same. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55389 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 That's funny ...your only 22 And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Didn't even imply anything shady just that it was wrong. temperature, calibration or something else...who knows. There is the case of fat nick on LS1GTO.com who had his LS2 car dynoed and jumped from 341/337 to 383/376 with basical no changes...it was eventually resolved to be invalid. This sounds the same. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55389 You're seriously comparing a raw, uncorrected readout from a dynojet (that read within 1% of a neighboring shop's dynojet) to a dyno dynamics dyno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90gt Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I call BS. There is no way that car gained 55 hp on a CAI, gutted cats and a tune. The chart is what it is but somethings really wrong. That's more then 04s get with CAI, catback, LTs and a tune. I don't know what the air temperature was yesterday but I'm guessing that obviously affected the results. It will not hold up when the temp drops. Call all the BS you want I was questioned by other GTO owners down at KilKare last year when the car went 13.35@ 103.50 in 85 degree heat. The car feels alot different now so I believe the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 And? ...you don't have years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Call all the BS you want I was questioned by other GTO owners down at KilKare last year when the car went 13.35@ 103.50 in 85 degree heat. The car feels alot different now so I believe the numbers. Believe what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 You're seriously comparing a raw, uncorrected readout from a dynojet (that read within 1% of a neighboring shop's dynojet) to a dyno dynamics dyno? I'm saying mistakes have know to have happened and anomalies usually end up being explained as was the case with fat nick. ...looking at those numbers and know nothing else about the car is I'd have immediately guessed it had LTs and a cam. ...or was an LS2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKilbourne Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Let's see, a car puts down a decent # and a certain someone gets all pissed off about it. Maybe you are right or maybe you are just mad that the car might actually make a good # without heads, cam, long tubes, and who knows what else. Instead of posting BS all over the internet, maybe you sit back relax and see what happens later. Maybe you are right or maybe you are wrong. Either way, sit down, take a deep breath, and stop typing. What if the car put down those #'s legitimately? I would be happy for the guy, not all pissed off and saying how you are the all knowing about these cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTO1 Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Let's see, a car puts down a decent # and a certain someone gets all pissed off about it. Maybe you are right or maybe you are just mad that the car might actually make a good # without heads, cam, long tubes, and who knows what else. Instead of posting BS all over the internet, maybe you sit back relax and see what happens later. Maybe you are right or maybe you are wrong. Either way, sit down, take a deep breath, and stop typing. What if the car put down those #'s legitimately? I would be happy for the guy, not all pissed off and saying how you are the all knowing about these cars. Grow up. This is purly educational. Read learn. No one on a GTO site who knows anything about this car would not question these numbers. http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177177&highlight=Stock+04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90gt Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I will gladly pay for your gas for you to come down here and watch the car get dynoed again. How is this so unbelieveable when another guy on buckeye goats with just catless mids and no tune put down 321hp 333tq in the middle of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Remember years always account for everything.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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