Jelloman4571647545499 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Been wondering how those shoot BTW. tell you in a few months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Maybe I missed it. What are you going to shoot? If it is small (Ground hog) I would go .25-06 or .22-250 They are both screamers. The .25-06 is good because if you do hunt deer in a state that has rifle hunting, I think most say you have to have at least .25 cal. That makes the .25-06 a good all around gun to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 BTW, if all you're doing is punching paper out to 700yds, .223 would probably be fine as well, not to mention cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 BTW, if all you're doing is punching paper out to 700yds, .223 would probably be fine as well, not to mention cheaper. 700 yards on a perfect day with no wind, very precise rifle, and an act of jesus/allah/tom cruise. .223 is a very light round. Even if you can go large (90 grain?) on the cartridge, it will still be moved around by the wind with a tendancy to tumble. If you are shooting people, that's a good thing, however making a precise group of shots with such low energy at that distance will be tough. Go .308, .300WM, or .338 - all have the energy and mass for what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1647545494 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 I always liked the .45-70 I dunno if you can still buy them or not the other one to look into is .460 weatherby magnum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVILGTP98 Posted February 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 My reason, I really dont have a good specefic reason, I have been shooting since pretty much I could walk, 22 long rifle, shot guns, 22-250, 222, an array of AK and SKS, I got an AR 15, love it, enough shotguns to last me, couple of muzzleloaders, owned a few pistols. Shooting long range was just something I wanted to get into, very interesting to me and just soemthing I am wanting to get into. I shoot sporting clays, skeet, trap, wobble trap, and just looking for something different. I am sure I will use it on groundhogs but that big of a caliber will turn em inside out, cool regardless. I cant give anyone a steadfast reason why, just seems like 1 of those things I could enjoy, plus as long as they are taken care of, guns dont really lose value so if need be I can always change my mind down the road. oh and the 20 mm = BAD ASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 700 yards on a perfect day with no wind, very precise rifle, and an act of jesus/allah/tom cruise. .223 is a very light round. Even if you can go large (90 grain?) on the cartridge, it will still be moved around by the wind with a tendancy to tumble. If you are shooting people, that's a good thing, however making a precise group of shots with such low energy at that distance will be tough. Go .308, .300WM, or .338 - all have the energy and mass for what you want. If it's windy, that just means he'll have to get better at adjusting for it. From everything I've read though, the max effective range of .223 is 600-650m (660-710yd.) Hell, adjustable irons are good to like 600yd. Again, I'd probably go with .308 as the better choice, but, .223 can do it as well, just with more finesse. Oh, and .45/70 is only good for like 200yd. Though, on that note, a Marlin 1897XLR is on my list of cool shit to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 If it's windy, that just means he'll have to get better at adjusting for it. From everything I've read though, the max effective range of .223 is 600-650m (660-710yd.) Hell, adjustable irons are good to like 600yd. Again, I'd probably go with .308 as the better choice, but, .223 can do it as well, just with more finesse. Oh, and .45/70 is only good for like 200yd. Though, on that note, a Marlin 1897XLR is on my list of cool shit to buy. Max effectives are like peak horsepower . I have nothing against .223/5.56 but you won't find many shooters chosing it for shots further then 300m, however the caliber does shine in urban enviroments where over penetration is a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 My .223/5.56mm Opinion: Either way .223 isn't a good hunting round nor a caliber the US Military should ever put into a standard battle rifle. The M4 is great for CQB stuff, and clearing rooms, but has no real punch thanks to it's small size, and lack of kinetic energy. Now for fun target shooting to 300-400 meters it's fine. After that range the .223 drops like a fat girl off a diving board. The wind/gravity play a huge factor in getting a .223/5.56 round past the 400 meter mark. .308/7.62mm however, isn't affected as much. 7.62mm/.308 is good well past 1000 meter mark, and still holds that sledgehammer hit at that range. They don't use M1A/M14's at Camp Perry for nothing - If you want a nice big bore rifle, .338 Lapua works quite nicely. Nate has the specs someplace I bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 My reason, I really dont have a good specefic reason, I have been shooting since pretty much I could walk, 22 long rifle, shot guns, 22-250, 222, an array of AK and SKS, I got an AR 15, love it, enough shotguns to last me, couple of muzzleloaders, owned a few pistols. Shooting long range was just something I wanted to get into, very interesting to me and just soemthing I am wanting to get into. I shoot sporting clays, skeet, trap, wobble trap, and just looking for something different. I am sure I will use it on groundhogs but that big of a caliber will turn em inside out, cool regardless. I cant give anyone a steadfast reason why, just seems like 1 of those things I could enjoy, plus as long as they are taken care of, guns dont really lose value so if need be I can always change my mind down the road. oh and the 20 mm = BAD ASS I have no doubts in your abilities, but you may want to look at an instructional course or books that detail the many factors that go into long range shots. The Marine Scout/Sniper manual, and U.S. Army's FM-2310 field manual cover a decent amount of said material. What it comes down to is: How big is/are your target(s)? What does the bullet have to penetrate? How precise do you want do you want your shot groupings to be? Answer those and you have an idea of caliber, ammo, and optics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Max effectives are like peak horsepower . I have nothing against .223/5.56 but you won't find many shooters chosing it for shots further then 300m, however the caliber does shine in urban enviroments where over penetration is a concern. That's probably true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 You guys may enjoy this (eat me if it's old) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Interesting clip Scott, they must have had some walls to punch through P.S. Here's abit about .338 for those interested: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1966/tajectoryyt3.gif http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5979/driftxx3.gif http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8430/energyzr4.gif Cliffs: This caliber/ammunition at 800-850 yards will liiterally hit with 1 ton+ of force - and speed around 1960 ft / sec - 1136 miles/hr, just shy of mach 2..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Interesting clip Scott, they must have had some walls to punch through P.S. Here's abit about .338 for those interested: http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1966/tajectoryyt3.gif http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5979/driftxx3.gif http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8430/energyzr4.gif Cliffs: This caliber/ammunition at 800-850 yards will liiterally hit with 1 ton+ of force - and speed around 1960 ft / sec - 1136 miles/hr, just shy of mach 2..... I heart me some .338 Lapua. I shall own one or six some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate1647545505 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I heart me some .338 Lapua. I shall own one or six some day. I'm suprised Kaliforniaya outlowed .50 but allows .338 and .408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I'm suprised Kaliforniaya outlowed .50 but allows .338 and .408 Give them time..... :bs: KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Dude, just get yourself an M1A. It's effective at longer range than you're likely to be shooting anywhere in Ohio. Is there even a range closer than Camp Perry that has a 700yd lane? As far as hunting goes, you can't use rifle in Ohio anyway, and if you go to PA, you're never going to need that kind of range, cause you'll be hunting in fields and valleys. If you want a rifle for serious competition, get it accurized to National Match specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I'm suprised Kaliforniaya outlowed .50 but allows .338 and .408 They also allow .510 DTC, which, to my understanding, is just a .50 BMG that is just a hair shorter. Damn near same ballistics. Fucking Commyfornia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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