Experienced Mothers/Fathers please help.

[kirks5oh]

wow, i leave for a week (moving), and the local "expert" starts handing out advice, telling you to drink goat's milk, and have the chiro put your toddler in a headlock to twist/manipulate their neck.

 

 

follow your doctor's advice, they will not mislead you. if it were as simple as changing your kid's diet, that's what the doctor would recommend.

[HAOLE]

wow, i leave for a week (moving), and the local "expert" starts handing out advice, telling you to drink goat's milk, and have the chiro put your toddler in a headlock to twist/manipulate their neck.

 

 

follow your doctor's advice, they will not mislead you. if it were as simple as changing your kid's diet, that's what the doctor would recommend.

Please continue to Whore for the pharm companies and medical device manufactures

 

BTW.... please tell us all about your vast knowledge of nutrition from a clinical aspect. I am sure that you can school me all about how cows milk is good for you right?

[kirks5oh]

Please continue to Whore for the pharm companies and medical device manufactures

 

BTW.... please tell us all about your vast knowledge of nutrition from a clinical aspect. I am sure that you can school me all about how cows milk is good for you right?

 

 

don't be mad just because you're not qualified to prescribe anything more than bad advice.

[HAOLE]

don't be mad just because you're not qualified to prescribe anything more than bad advice.

I don't need drugs to prescribe, you body has the ultimate pharmacy built in. Learn to help people help themselves and you will kill less people in your young career.

 

Want to compare body count?

 

It is not my fault the M.D.'s are the #1 cause on preventable death in the US

 

You still have not enlighten us all about why I am wrong. Please bless us with your vast knowledge of nutrition. *cough cough*

[SpaceGhost]

Fevers are not a bad thing. That is the body fighting the infection. The stink for the kid because she does not feel well. Dropping the fever with "Tylenol", like most parents are told will only prolong the illness because the body is not able to raise the temp high enough to stop the reproduction of the virus/ bacteria.

 

I would suggest you buy this book. It gives solid common sense advice on childhood health issues. I have a copy if you would like to read it I would be happy to mail it to you.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Raise-Healthy-Child-Spite-Doctor/dp/0345342763

 

No shit sherlock, but when the ENT says she is not allowed to have surgery Tuesday if she has a fever within 24hrs of it or they will cancel her surgery. We give antibiotics to help weaken the infection and for her to not have a fever Monday so we can treat her symptoms better. Did you really think I don't know what fevers do? I'm quite insulted.

[TTQ B4U]

I agree. Between my wife we have Two Medical Doctors a dentist and Two Chiropracters in our immediate family and the Chiro's are always the first to get the call for help as the MD's usually just talk about their favorite drugs to toss at the problem.

 

Of course not all drugs are bad, but why go that route if you don't need to? Tubes IMO are just a medical doctors answer. Chances are if someone went to an MD and they simply gave holistic advice, the patient would throw a fit.

 

In the case of Ben's little one, the meds were likely to help bring down the fever to get her prepped for the proceedure.

 

 

 

I don't need drugs to prescribe, you body has the ultimate pharmacy built in. Learn to help people help themselves and you will kill less people in your young career.

 

Want to compare body count?

 

It is not my fault the M.D.'s are the #1 cause on preventable death in the US

 

You still have not enlighten us all about why I am wrong. Please bless us with your vast knowledge of nutrition. *cough cough*

[HAOLE]

No shit sherlock, but when the ENT says she is not allowed to have surgery Tuesday if she has a fever within 24hrs of it or they will cancel her surgery. We give antibiotics to help weaken the infection and for her to not have a fever Monday so we can treat her symptoms better. Did you really think I don't know what fevers do? I'm quite insulted.

If he knows so much why are you begging for help/advice from us on the forum. Follow the M.D. and shut up about it. You seem like typical case a proctologist would see.

[kirks5oh]

I don't need drugs to prescribe, you body has the ultimate pharmacy built in. Learn to help people help themselves and you will kill less people in your young career.

 

you don't need to prescribe medications, because you're not trained to do so, and you don't actually see sick people in your 'clinic'. what you see is people who have general msculoskeletal complaints, and you manipulate them (and their wallets). when was the last time you treated a life threatening infection with your holistic approach?? have you ever treated a MRSA infection?? what would you do if someone walked into your clinic with a broken wrist?? have you ever sewn up a laceration, or do you just have bandaids in your office??

 

i'm only 2 years younger than you, but have had more (legitimate) training than you will ever have (unless you go back to med school), so i don't think i need your advice, but thanks anyways.

 

Want to compare body count?

 

any time you want to compare the number of lives you've saved with me, i'm ready. you can tell me all about the time you brought someone back from the brink of death with a shiatsu (spelling?) massage.

 

It is not my fault the M.D.'s are the #1 cause on preventable death in the US

 

it IS your fault. if you would have gone to medical school, you could have been the best doctor EVER, only having people pass away of natural causes

 

You still have not enlighten us all about why I am wrong. Please bless us with your vast knowledge of nutrition. *cough cough*

 

i'm not a nutritionist (as you probably know), and i don't think you're one either. my advice was to follow the ENT doc's advice. if you want, i can call one of my buddies who just completed his residency and is now working as an ENT surgeon at OSU, and have him tell you why you're completely wrong--but its not worth my time, and yours as you obviously think you have all the answers.

[HAOLE]

you don't need to prescribe medications, because you're not trained to do so, and you don't actually see sick people in your 'clinic'. what you see is people who have general msculoskeletal complaints, and you manipulate them (and their wallets). when was the last time you treated a life threatening infection with your holistic approach?? have you ever treated a MRSA infection?? what would you do if someone walked into your clinic with a broken wrist?? have you ever sewn up a laceration, or do you just have bandaids in your office??

 

i'm only 2 years younger than you, but have had more (legitimate) training than you will ever have (unless you go back to med school), so i don't think i need your advice, but thanks anyways.

 

 

 

any time you want to compare the number of lives you've saved with me, i'm ready. you can tell me all about the time you brought someone back from the brink of death with a shiatsu (spelling?) massage.

 

 

 

it IS your fault. if you would have gone to medical school, you could have been the best doctor EVER, only having people pass away of natural causes

 

 

 

i'm not a nutritionist (as you probably know), and i don't think you're one either. my advice was to follow the ENT doc's advice. if you want, i can call one of my buddies who just completed his residency and is now working as an ENT surgeon at OSU, and have him tell you why you're completely wrong--but its not worth my time, and yours as you obviously think you have all the answers.

:gay2:

[kirks5oh]

:gay2:

 

 

perfect response.

[TTQ B4U]

IMO, pharmacists are the ones that should be prescribing meds. Docs don't usually know what meds are best or fully understand interactions. But hey, drug reps need to work too. Ironically, it's the overuse of anitbiotics that have led to MRSA infections we face today.

 

Just like most doctors, DC's are more or less specialists with a bit more of a well rounded approach that happens to involve manipulations, diet and more. We have an OBGYN in the family so it's not like she's the best one for me to have gone to when I had back surgery either. It's not all one way only, DC's often refer patients for medical care when appropriate. My brother an law is a DC with extensive post graduate training in Nutrition and rehabilitation. He does a lot of work with the unv

 

you don't need to prescribe medications, because you're not trained to do so, and you don't actually see sick people in your 'clinic'. what you see is people who have general msculoskeletal complaints, and you manipulate them (and their wallets). when was the last time you treated a life threatening infection with your holistic approach?? have you ever treated a MRSA infection?? what would you do if someone walked into your clinic with a broken wrist?? have you ever sewn up a laceration, or do you just have bandaids in your office??

 

You guys can debate your particular backgroundss all day, I'm sure we'll all enjoy the e-battle. I've lived through such a debate before and will agian within my own family. My wife's sister who is a DO vs her other sister a DC. Their backgrounds and training are similar to a point, with each then having more areas of focus in particular studies.

 

The two DC's in my family have nearly 2x the training in Anatomy, Physiology, Biology, Chemistry and a far better ability to diagnose a problem than the MD's. My one sister in law started out as an MD with a general practice then completed her DC and has been practicing as such for years and often times will site where the strengths of one skill set is best vs another depending on the situation. Very interesting stuff. No one practice is perfect.

 

i'm only 2 years younger than you, but have had more (legitimate) training than you will ever have (unless you go back to med school), so i don't think i need your advice, but thanks anyways.

 

I don't think Dr. Rick feels he has all the answers, but it was clear with your posts that you have a chip against anything no MD and that you have all the answers. Maybe he has a stronger focus on bedside manner and delivery of information.

 

but its not worth my time, and yours as you obviously think you have all the answers.

[Dave1647545494]

carter was always very congested when he was small we had him sleep in a chair like thing instead of a bed so he could drain at night it helped alot....

 

if your daughter has just started daycare she will be sick alot for awhile but it builds up the immune system fast (yours too) but you'll get all kinds of annoying little colds for a couple months....

 

I would follow your doctors lead they know whats up

[HAOLE]

IMO, pharmacists are the ones that should be prescribing meds. Docs don't usually know what meds are best or fully understand interactions. But hey, drug reps need to work too. Ironically, it's the overuse of anitbiotics that have led to MRSA infections we face today.

 

Just like most doctors, DC's are more or less specialists with a bit more of a well rounded approach that happens to involve manipulations, diet and more. We have an OBGYN in the family so it's not like she's the best one for me to have gone to when I had back surgery either. It's not all one way only, DC's often refer patients for medical care when appropriate. My brother an law is a DC with extensive post graduate training in Nutrition and rehabilitation. He does a lot of work with the unv

 

 

 

You guys can debate your particular backgroundss all day, I'm sure we'll all enjoy the e-battle. I've lived through such a debate before and will agian within my own family. My wife's sister who is a DO vs her other sister a DC. Their backgrounds and training are similar to a point, with each then having more areas of focus in particular studies.

 

The two DC's in my family have nearly 2x the training in Anatomy, Physiology, Biology, Chemistry and a far better ability to diagnose a problem than the MD's. My one sister in law started out as an MD with a general practice then completed her DC and has been practicing as such for years and often times will site where the strengths of one skill set is best vs another depending on the situation. Very interesting stuff. No one practice is perfect.

 

 

 

I don't think Dr. Rick feels he has all the answers, but it was clear with your posts that you have a chip against anything no MD and that you have all the answers. Maybe he has a stronger focus on bedside manner and delivery of information.

Very well put.

 

I dont have all the answers, no one does. Kirk has an inferiority complex IMHO. The problem is when people get better in my office, kirk and his cronies lose money. so he gets up set about it. the same reason the AMA tried for nearly 100 years to put us out of business. Purely monetary issues and ignorance.

 

I am proud to be a DC. I don't have a glorious job reattaching someone arm or fixing a gun shot wound, but I do help people live better lives and that is a wonderful feeling. The funny thing is most who come to see me, start with the MD, then end up at my office as a "last resort". Most of the get well, treat the body right and it will heal the vast majority of time.

 

He can continue to hate and Spaceghost will continue to ride his sack. At some point Spaceghost little girl may get to the point where the drugs and surgery have not worked. My office will still be open to them. Too bad Ben's blinders will continue to allow his girl to suffer when natural help is available. I see it everyday and I just shake my head and go on.

[Dave1647545494]

you two with your endless bickering have your fucking bitch fight in a pm and quit clogging up good threads with drivel

[TTQ B4U]

Daycare.....welcome to the gradual building of your immune system I've been there done that. We've all been pretty healthy this year...knock on wood.....is that considered a holistic superstition ?

 

I'd was happy that it worked for us but I've trusted our family docs a lot and have yet to be disappointed.

 

Good luck with your little girl and keep us posted. The worst thing to see is your little one sick and in pain.

 

Thankyou Tim this is what I am looking for. Our doctor said nothing about this. And it makes sense, I avoid milk when I am sick because I feel more congested but that was in my nose. I feel stupid I don't think of it the same way. My wife was alergic to milk also as a little child and grew out of it. She is getting the tubes for sure, I am mainly looking for advise like the ear plugs and what not for after the surgery. Tim your post is great because we can try it and it can't hurt her. It's worth a shot to at least get this infection healed. This wasn't an issue untill she started daycare 2 months ago. I am sick all the time now too.

[kirks5oh]

IMO, pharmacists are the ones that should be prescribing meds. Docs don't usually know what meds are best or fully understand interactions. But hey, drug reps need to work too. Ironically, it's the overuse of anitbiotics that have led to MRSA infections we face today. .

 

pretty much all wrong in the above paragraph. pharmacists know more about meds, and their interactions. and they know that once a patient is diagnosed with "X", then they should be given "Y"--but they know very little about all the steps in between (physical exam, ordering lab tests, etc.). and MRSA was inevitable from the beginning. bacteria evolve at an incredible rate, and can adapt to survive through any medication. now there's VRSA, and there will be many more cycles of resistant bacteria.

 

 

 

 

The two DC's in my family have nearly 2x the training in Anatomy, Physiology, Biology, Chemistry and a far better ability to diagnose a problem than the MD's. My one sister in law started out as an MD with a general practice then completed her DC and has been practicing as such for years and often times will site where the strengths of one skill set is best vs another depending on the situation. Very interesting stuff. No one practice is perfect..

 

 

you honestly think chiropractic training is superior to medical school training with respect to anatomy, biology, and physiology?? wow, is about all i can say to that.

 

 

 

I don't think Dr. Rick feels he has all the answers, but it was clear with your posts that you have a chip against anything no MD and that you have all the answers. Maybe he has a stronger focus on bedside manner and delivery of information.

 

i have no chip on my shoulder against chiros--i really don't think they take any of my patients away--i do total hip and knee replacements, some trauma, and some general orthopedic surgery. the simple fact of the matter is that when someone has a back strain, over 99% of the time it will get better in a short period of time regardless of what you do. so when the chiro does a manipulation, and the patient gets better in a few days, they assume their problem was fixxed by the chiro, when all they had to do was nothing at all. i don't claim to have all the answers--my advice was to follow the ENT surgeon's recommendations

[TTQ B4U]

Same thing in the case here with Ben's daughter....as has been stated, many times folks go get meds from a doctor when in fact if they just let the situation run it's course they would be fine too....or if they would just alter their behavior, diet, etc....the body can and will cure itself. I can't tell you how many I've seen friends and coworkers go to the doctor for sinus infection and be given scripts for a nasal spray, antibiotics, decongestants, etc....even with my kids, we get like 2-3 items offered to us to "help" them.

 

What Rick is saying is that his treating of patients, instead of writing scripts (because he can't of course...but from training and belief, he doesn't believe in that process anyway) he works to create comprehensive plan based on the patient's individual needs.

 

That plan will include spinal adjustments, soft tissue therapy (that you ridicule,) recommendations on exercises, and general diet/lifestyle counseling. I know from my relatives that DC's spend a lot more time with their patients and as a result have a better relationship with them. Both have had patients comment on it being a more involved hands-on and interactive approach vs Doctors that tend to toss drugs at things vs listening and offering other alternative programs.

 

I find it interesting that ENT's tend to push tubes so much when there are alternatives that can quickly benefit the patients. IMO, the do it because prescribing drugs and procedures like ear tubes is how they earn a living and are what they are taught. Contrast that with a DC who wouldn't likely use harsh manipulations for the child like you infer/taunted.

 

Prior to my nasal surgery which was required and eventually needed an ENT, I was trying all kinds of decongestants and script drugs. Until my sister in law, the DO came over and simply took five minutes to massage or manipulate my head, sinuses, etc....and cleared me up within minutes. Drainage and inflammation cleared out and I was fine for days.

 

Now again, my situation was bad and required an out patient proceedure, but what she did in five minutes with just her hands accomplished what no drugs or MD insight was ever able to do for me.

 

the simple fact of the matter is that when someone has a back strain, over 99% of the time it will get better in a short period of time regardless of what you do. so when the chiro does a manipulation, and the patient gets better in a few days, they assume their problem was fixxed by the chiro, when all they had to do was nothing at all.

 

I don't claim to have all the answers--my advice was to follow the ENT surgeon's recommendations

[SLOWLX]

My sons is 2 head had tubes put in due to all the ear infections he had i think it was done when he was 1 1/2