Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 the body brake line on my gfs car rusted out....her dad jb welded it and it doesnt leak anymore, but he didnt bleed the brakes...im going to go do it for her, but im not sure what the proper way to do it is.... farthest wheel to nearest or nearest to farther? i know theres a certain order youre supposed to bleed them in...also, if the nipples are too old and dont work *which im afraid of since its a 93* is there another way? i cant afford calipers\ 93 cougar if that matters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimmel1647545512 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Dude jb weld on a brake line is the worst idea since unsliced bread, brake systems are under thousands of psi at times even compression fittings arent that cool, I can help you bleed it if you want, I also have a brake line Double Flare too that you could use or I could help you use to do it right.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimmel1647545512 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 Soak the bleeder valves with PB blaster too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 i dont know how big of an area rusted out...it really needs a new line to do it right doesnt it? i dont have anything to bend a new line with and i dont think you can get one pre bent....how does the double flare work? insert two sides into it and its like a sleeve or something? i really dont have any $ so i wouldnt be able to pay ya to help fix it, just wondering the best way to get it fixed...i dont have a license, she doesnt have a car...makes it hard to hang out so i wanna get her car movin again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 open the brake fluid reservoir, there should be a boot in the cap, if that boot is swollen or you cannot get the cap back onto the reservoir, then the rusted out part of the brake line let in water and contaminants and the whole system needs replaced. i mean every line, component, caliper, drums... everything. check and make sure you dont have to replace everything. the last thing you want is for the system to fail on her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 ok guys, keep it coming and ill make a list of stuff to look for...probably going to go take a look at it on friday...i havent gotten a good look at the car, just fired it up and felt the brakes after it was jb welded and it seemed spongy like there was air in lines...and i realize jb weld isnt a great fix, but if we can get it good enough to drive then we can figure something else out...hell idk...just wanna get it fixed, shes dead set on buying a new car and i hate to see her throw money away when she can fix the one she has...plus shes only got $60 and shes getting raped on the babysitting (30 dollars a day for 2 annoying kids) so she wont have a car soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 yeah, air in the lines compresses, where fluid does not, causeing the spongy pedal. if there is water in the lines, it only gets worse, brake fluid is hygroscopic, meaning, it absorbs water and gives a lower pedal(push farther for the brakes to engage). and once water is in the brake fluid it will start rusting the lines inside out. plus with abs, brake lines have pressure that exceeds cutting potential. if you dont properly disarm an abs unit, and you start taking lines off it, you may end up having a couple of fingers sliced off by the pressure. and just for clarification, it only uses such high pressures so the abs unit can pulse the brakes as it needs. Cliffs: -Water and or air in the system is really bad. -Look for an abs unit before you work on the brake lines, and check with a shop or a enthusiast forum for the disarming process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 would a 93 cougar even have abs? but ill check for it... would a 93 cougar be similar to a 93 stang? brake system wise...idk where to find a cougar forum...but i know plenty of stang sites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 if you dont properly disarm an abs unit, and you start taking lines off it, you may end up having a couple of fingers sliced off by the pressure. lol your new at cars arn't you? there is no pressure unless your foot is on the pedal and brake line pressure isn't enough to cut your fingers off. hell i put my finger over the bleed port to bleed the brakes and still have all mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 That year, maybe. I think it is luxury enough to have abs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 lol your new at cars arn't you? there is no pressure unless your foot is on the pedal and brake line pressure isn't enough to cut your fingers off. hell i put my finger over the bleed port to bleed the brakes and still have all mine. lol, no. im ase certified in brakes. and some systems do remain pressurized. :asshole: edit: i am not talking about bleeding brakes, i am warning about replacing the lines at the abs unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 lol, no. im ase certified in brakes. and some systems do remain pressurized. :asshole: edit: i am not talking about bleeding brakes, i am warning about replacing the lines at the abs unit. yes but the brake one was the easiest test of them all. it will just leak once he gets a line cracked open, not spray out causing death and dismemberment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 yes but the brake one was the easiest test of them all. it will just leak once he gets a line cracked open, not spray out causing death and dismemberment. if he bleeds the brakes, you're right, its not going to hurt anyone, how ever, if he needed to replace the line that feeds from the abs system, and it was a model that you had to properly release the pressure from the abs module, then i would hate to have not told him to do so, and have him loose a finger. now i said this mostly because i have no idea as to whether a '93 cougar has a really high pressure abs module, but at the time all i knew is that it was from '93, he had not even said as to what kind of car it was. i had also mentioned checking for contamination, idk if you missed that or whatever, but if he had to replace a contaminated brake system, he would also replace the abs module, and that is why i mentioned to check before he just starts ripping components out to replace them. Also, he put in the top post as to what kind of car it is, but not before i replied about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 the brake system wont be getting replaced....if more than the line is bad, im not replacing calipers rotors/drums/lines/abs module/master cylinder/ whatever else...its an 800 dollar car...what should i do guys? a whole new brake line? i just have never done it before so im not sure what the hell ide be doing, and i dont have a lift of jack stands...well...i got 2 jack stands lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 you would have to replace the brake line segment that the hole is in, you cant just patch it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 best thing to do is replace the line that has the hole in it. then bleed it. you could do a compression fitting if your in a jam as long as its a steel compression fitting and its only a temp fix. like untill the weekend when you can do it right. if he bleeds the brakes, you're right, its not going to hurt anyone, how ever, if he needed to replace the line that feeds from the abs system, and it was a model that you had to properly release the pressure from the abs module, then i would hate to have not told him to do so, and have him loose a finger. then he would be the first person i ever heard of to lose a finger to brake fluid. i had also mentioned checking for contamination, idk if you missed that or whatever, but if he had to replace a contaminated brake system, he would also replace the abs module, and that is why i mentioned to check before he just starts ripping components out to replace them. and your the only one i have ever heard that said you have to replace the entire brake system because of something that every car's brake fluid does. i would like to see you tell a customer that there brake line repair will cost them $2000, that would go over well. brake fluid causes rubber to swell not the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 ok cool...i had never heard that either and i was really skeptical....it didnt seem right at all that i would need to replace the entire system....thanks for comin in AJ and giving some solid advice... the brake line thats broke is the main one that runs from front to back, thats what her dad told me atleast...seems like it would be a bitch to do....do i just buy brake line and just bend it and snake it through or what? **also, if anyone here wants to give me a quote on this then im open, but our family mechanic said 300 to fix it and im not paying that for a brake line lol...probably end up doing it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 best thing to do is replace the line that has the hole in it. then bleed it. you could do a compression fitting if your in a jam as long as its a steel compression fitting and its only a temp fix. like untill the weekend when you can do it right. then he would be the first person i ever heard of to lose a finger to brake fluid. and your the only one i have ever heard that said you have to replace the entire brake system because of something that every car's brake fluid does. i would like to see you tell a customer that there brake line repair will cost them $2000, that would go over well. brake fluid causes rubber to swell not the water. All i said was that he should pop the cap to the reservoir off and check the bellows, and see if it was contaminated, and to not ignore it if it were to be contaminated... i never said water causes it to do anything but have a spongy feel to the pedal... i said Contaminated Fluid would cause the bellows to swell and indicate that it was contaminated, and that he would have to replace the system, i never just said oh, yeah, you have to replace the whole system when you bleed your brakes..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 ok cool...i had never heard that either and i was really skeptical....it didnt seem right at all that i would need to replace the entire system....thanks for comin in AJ and giving some solid advice... the brake line thats broke is the main one that runs from front to back, thats what her dad told me atleast...seems like it would be a bitch to do....do i just buy brake line and just bend it and snake it through or what? **also, if anyone here wants to give me a quote on this then im open, but our family mechanic said 300 to fix it and im not paying that for a brake line lol...probably end up doing it myself yeah you'll need a pipe bender, or sleeve... don't try to bend it by hand. also, what i mentioned was a precautionary statement, which you people dont seem to understand, i never once said it was going to have to be replaced, i only said to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 i have this posted on another forum and they told me to do it by hand...is that wrong? im confused as hell lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 i have this posted on another forum and they told me to do it by hand...is that wrong? im confused as hell lol well with a hand held bender, but not bare hands, that runs the risk of cracking/ damaging the line while bending... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 can i rent a bender from autozone or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 i have never tried to rent a brake line bender from auto zone, you may be able to, but i believe you can but it a a hardware store, its the same as what you use in some copper plumbing applications... AJ, if you know for sure then by all means.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 ok cool...i had never heard that either and i was really skeptical....it didnt seem right at all that i would need to replace the entire system....thanks for comin in AJ and giving some solid advice... the brake line thats broke is the main one that runs from front to back, thats what her dad told me atleast...seems like it would be a bitch to do....do i just buy brake line and just bend it and snake it through or what? **also, if anyone here wants to give me a quote on this then im open, but our family mechanic said 300 to fix it and im not paying that for a brake line lol...probably end up doing it myself you can bend it by hand, don't make any sharp turns with it like tight 90's or 180's. get some extra since its cheep and play with it before you make your line. bend a little bit then move down the line 1/2 to an 1 and bend a little more untill you get the feel of what the line will do. i bend all my brake line by hand and never have a problem but if its real tight ( like real real tight 90's) then i may use a bender or a socket. just be sure not to kink the line, then your fucked and have to start all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted June 25, 2008 Report Share Posted June 25, 2008 can i rent a bender from autozone or something? yes, autozone rents anything. but you need one for your size brake line. should be either 1/4" or 3/16" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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