"Spread the wealth around" = Socialism

[87GT]

No, there aren't too many rich people in this country. How do you define rich?

 

They don't have an unfair advantage. We all start out pretty much in the same boat with a degree on paper and a will to earn and live. How's that unfair?

 

You want help? Fine, but no free-bee's. Fuck all this "I deserve" shit. You don't deserve anything, you have to EARN what you get. You have the same chance as I had, no different. Whatever situation you're in is your bed....go make it.

 

IMO, there's no fucking way we should all have to pay into any system for anything without those that are receiving the Free-bee's paying back by working and contributing.

 

FUCK FREE-BEE's !!

 

I'll be damned if I should have to pay for healthcare for everyone else. If that's the case, then let me determine who gets what and qualifies. There's no way some fat-fuck who smokes, eats like shit and refuses to work hard and excel both personally and professionally is going to get shit from me.

 

People who want wellfare, food stamps, etc...come see me, I have plenty of work you can do to EARN that shit! Plenty of work for that.....

 

 

What about people who are disabled and can not work? My uncle has a very bad physical deformity all over his body that make most people cringe when they see him. It is not contagious. He used to work in a factory for over 10 years straight. The only people that saw him were co-workers. Well they closed the plant. He tried getting a job after that but couldn't. No one said it was because of how he looked but who would?

 

So should he not have free health care and disability?

[BIG SHAFE]

What about people who are disabled and can not work? My uncle has a very bad physical deformity all over his body that make most people cringe when they see him. It is not contagious. He used to work in a factory for over 10 years straight. The only people that saw him were co-workers. Well they closed the plant. He tried getting a job after that but couldn't. No one said it was because of how he looked but who would?

 

So should he not have free health care and disability?

 

While I feel sorry for people like your uncle, but freedom = self responsibility. Why should his health be my financial problem? If you want to help him with your own money thats fine, but requiring me to pay taxes to help him that I have a problem with.

[87GT]

While I feel sorry for people like your uncle, but freedom = self responsibility. Why should his health be my financial problem? If you want to help him with your own money thats fine, but requiring me to pay taxes to help him that I have a problem with.

 

He has no other issue then how he looks. It is not like it will cause him to work less productive or anything. The issue is other people and their fear of the unknown. It is illegal to not hire someone because of their looks but how can you enforce this law?

 

Paying taxes for disability helps... at least he can afford to eat but that is about it.

[HAOLE]

What about people who are disabled and can not work? My uncle has a very bad physical deformity all over his body that make most people cringe when they see him. It is not contagious. He used to work in a factory for over 10 years straight. The only people that saw him were co-workers. Well they closed the plant. He tried getting a job after that but couldn't. No one said it was because of how he looked but who would?

 

So should he not have free health care and disability?

Neurofibromatosis?

 

I have sympathy for people with problems like this, but it is still not my responsibility to subsidize his life. There are many ways to make money that will no require him to be direct contact with anyone he chooses not to be. Today there is opportunity to have "e" based businesses. No one cares what you look like on e-bay. Or rental housing can make great income for him as long as he is will to take the risk involved.

 

While I do feel sorry for him, we cant help every all the time.

[GonneVille]

Unless your single, what fucking health plan worth anything costs only $5k ? BS....that part of McCain's plan is fucked up too. Family plans are more like $12-$15k yr and once you add in the deductible, $5k won't do shit.

And besides which, as long as insurers can turn you down for procedures and medication for pre-existing conditions, it doesn't do shit to help me. Type II diabetes, guess how much help spending a few thousand a year on insurance is gonna get me?

[87GT]

Neurofibromatosis?

 

I have sympathy for people with problems like this, but it is still not my responsibility to subsidize his life. There are many ways to make money that will no require him to be direct contact with anyone he chooses not to be. Today there is opportunity to have "e" based businesses. No one cares what you look like on e-bay. Or rental housing can make great income for him as long as he is will to take the risk involved.

 

While I do feel sorry for him, we cant help every all the time.

 

 

Yes NF... doctors almost though I had it as a baby but I got pectus evacuatum instead. Lucky me.

 

But how can you sell goods if you don't have them to begin with. Or even more so how can you buy goods to sell if you barely can afford eating?

[HAOLE]

Yes NF... doctors almost though I had it as a baby but I got pectus evacuatum instead. Lucky me.

 

But how can you sell goods if you don't have them to begin with. Or even more so how can you buy goods to sell if you barely can afford eating?

Rice and beans, beans and rice. He will have to work through the tough part. I did not have anything either and I have Started/owned several business over the years

[TTQ B4U]

Depends on the disability. There are a shit-ton of people on disablity that just plain don't try or are milking the system and that shit has to stop. I'm not saying anything like that about your uncle, but just in general mind you.

 

Now in your uncles case, I can't say, but x times how many folks like him in this country and I should and the rest of the country have to pay for? All of them? I vote against that. Let their family pay for them.

 

My aunt is blind and has bad legs. Has been disabled for years and found it very, very hard to get work. She's in Cleveland and doesn't have much at all in the way of belongings or income either. Guess what.....my father and my uncle pretty much make due to care for her. That's what family is for. No different than having a child. Better them than everyone else paying for her though the system. It sucks, but what choices do we all have?

 

My brother was the same way. Battled cancer for 12 years before his death. He claimed where he could from the system and hated every penny of doing so, but guess what....family once again and as I believe it should be. He died July 6, 2007 with my parents and family by his side. Family first, then the system if need be.

 

Look, we can both cry sob stories all day, but at the end of the day, I don't want a socialistic society to the point where more of my income is going to pay for everyone else. There's too many lazy scam artist bullshitters in the world and I'd much rather cut off a few deserving that letting everyone else pay for them. Even if a few of them are my family members. Those that want that type of healthcare can go live in Canada or Europe where those plans are already in place. Those are serious options.

 

 

 

What about people who are disabled and can not work? My uncle has a very bad physical deformity all over his body that make most people cringe when they see him. It is not contagious. He used to work in a factory for over 10 years straight. The only people that saw him were co-workers. Well they closed the plant. He tried getting a job after that but couldn't. No one said it was because of how he looked but who would?

 

So should he not have free health care and disability?

[TTQ B4U]

IMO people will always take the path of least resistance if given the choice. Don't give them the choice and they will find a way or die. That's life. We give our country's poorest of the poor way too many free-bee's that push them into accepting what they are and offer no incentive to make a change. Bullshit. That way of thinking has to stop.

 

I'm not saying cut them off completely, but find a better way get people using these programs to EARN what they get vs taxing the rest of us more to pay them more. They have choices and NO ONE is trapped in their lives. Fuck, if I had to pick up and make a new life with nothing but the clothes on my back I would/could. The problem is many folks choose NOT to change or make things better because they are comfortable.

 

Guess what....comfortable isn't good for the rest of the world. It breeds complacency and laziness. If they want that, then so be it on the dimes of their family not me.

 

It pisses me off every time I see Jerry Springer or news episode or go into a store and see the so called "poorer people" of our great land in a handicap space because they are too fat to move.

 

Fuck, then we have a group that wants to put Casino's in Ohio so they can go there and piss away their social security checks. BS....and don't tell me I'm wrong as I've been to plenty of Casino's from CT to IL and KS and they are all filled at all hours of the day with below average income wage earners pissing away dimes and quarters. That's another thread.....

 

Yes NF... doctors almost though I had it as a baby but I got pectus evacuatum instead. Lucky me.

 

But how can you sell goods if you don't have them to begin with. Or even more so how can you buy goods to sell if you barely can afford eating?