31rx7 Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 This is a typical turn on a road course. The elevation change adds a little spice, but is not all that radical. A car with high limits like the A8 inspires false confidence in drivers, and then when they exceed the limits they don't know what to do and bad things happen. He should have known he went way deep on the prior turn, a right hander to enter the S, and was way over on the left side of the track when he should have beeon the right side. He was then not set up properly for the left hander; he should have realized this. He then could have driven straight off through the grass and re-entered the track a couple hundred yards down, and been on his merry way. Instead, he realized he was too deep in the right hander, turned HARDER to try and get back, causing the rear of the car to come out, inducing the spn which took him backwards and sideways into the tire wall. I didn't look that close, but I am betting that he also hit the brakes when he tried to turn, further inducing the spin. Even with a slower car, you can do the same thing. You just won't slide as far or spin out as quickly. Had he been driving a cheap POS, he would have spun but would have only slid halfway to the wall. The key is to build up your speed very slowly and incrementally. And, have somebody that knows something be giving you advice and instruction. Stuff happens fast and you need to understand what happens as you approach and exceed the limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Rich, I like that explanation. I've been on Mid-Ohio before, and from the little experience that I've had, it seems that it's just a lot of common sense stuff. Don't gas hard in the middle of turns, keep in mind your suspension loading, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig71188 Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Rich is dead on - also note though.... All too often people start following the car ahead (looks like a Viper) and start to think I'm catching him, I'm catching him and stop watching/driving the track and instead start concentrating on the rear end of the car ahead. Inveitably, they wind up in the wrong place, miss their marks, and crash. In some cases, I've seen the lead car go off and the following car follows them right off the track!!! Drive the track-not the car you're behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief8one Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 most likely in ..... need to break in the new miata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I can't wait for this to go down. It sparked me to edit my Mid-Ohio advanced defensive course footage. I'll post it up when it's done rendering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31rx7 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Rich is dead on - also note though.... All too often people start following the car ahead (looks like a Viper) and start to think I'm catching him, I'm catching him and stop watching/driving the track and instead start concentrating on the rear end of the car ahead. Inveitably, they wind up in the wrong place, miss their marks, and crash. In some cases, I've seen the lead car go off and the following car follows them right off the track!!! Drive the track-not the car you're behind. Craig, I am LMAO because most all of us have done this at one point or another. Better yet is when you are the lead car and start watching the car behind you catching you, and then drive straight off the track. "Drive with the windshield, not the rear view mirror". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 614Streets Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I would bring my stratus just to be on the safe side. Omg lol his reaction is priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig71188 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Better yet is when you are the lead car and start watching the car behind you catching you, and then drive straight off the track. "Drive with the windshield, not the rear view mirror". Been there done that! Checked the rear view mirror WAAAAAY to late when entering a turn and visited a lot of acreage on the outside of the track. Once in the carousel at MO, once in turn 1 at Nelson - you'd think I'd have learned after the first one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31rx7 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 most likely in ..... need to break in the new miata A solid Miata is a good track day car. They are easy on brakes and tires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I wouldn't run a Miata without a cage though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Is there a date range set? I tried to read most of this but might have missed it. If I order my car and take delivery by then, I'll be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feffman Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I wouldn't run a Miata without a cage though. Most, if not all, tracks including Mid Ohio mandate a roll bar for a Miata. Good choice of track car though as it's inexpensive to run and damn fun to boot. Feff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Any more info on this? Has anyone done their homework to see if this could be put together or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I'm betting only 3-4 out of this thread actually follow through on the track days... I'm also putting aside money for this season's track days, hope to see a good group out there this year. Now where were you last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Bird Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Im down just let me know when Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonkiller Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm betting only 3-4 out of this thread actually follow through on the track days... I'm also putting aside money for this season's track days, hope to see a good group out there this year. You are gonna be the first person I lap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 You are gonna be the first person I lap... I'll be right ahead video taping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 You are gonna be the first person I lap... Come get some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Bullitt Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 I would certainly try to make it if it happens before I move in late June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Apex Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 ^Definitely, your car would do very well out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linc5.0 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Rich is dead on - also note though.... All too often people start following the car ahead (looks like a Viper) and start to think I'm catching him, I'm catching him and stop watching/driving the track and instead start concentrating on the rear end of the car ahead. Inveitably, they wind up in the wrong place, miss their marks, and crash. In some cases, I've seen the lead car go off and the following car follows them right off the track!!! Drive the track-not the car you're behind. thats what I was thinking, definately a Viper and he was definately thinking about catching him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erica Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 shifter karts allowed? I would be interested if there are Karts allowed...even if not I think this would be a new change for people! People who don't come to the autoX events or don't have the chance to would get a new perspective! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feffman Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 If no one puts a CR event together at Mid Ohio, you are welcome to run with us (www.MVPTrackTime.com) there October 17-18. Happy Motoring! Feff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossle Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Karts would never be allowed, nor would I want to drive one near you guys no offense lmao. I've seen how big pylons are, cars would be scary as heck. Depending on the interest and if you need the extra people I may be able to pull a few guys off the MR2 forums, I know of 2 guys for sure that do lap days at mid ohio on a regular basis. I would be more interested in logistics, I don't think i would be able to afford it this season on top of autox ing with the PCA and the SCCA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1647545496 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I'm in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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