scoots Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Who makes a two piece spark plug, puts no anti-sieze around it and thinks that everything is going to be fine when you try to take them out? I broke two plugs yesterday and the bottom collar section is still stuck in the engine. I come to find out that this is such a big issue that there is a TSB about it, and Ford even designed a special tool to remove the broken part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well thats shitty. Did you get the tool yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoots Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Well thats shitty. Did you get the tool yet? Ordered it last night, probably won't get it until later in the week since they only had UPS ground as a shipping option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Buy a Chevy and never look back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 We sell out of the Ford spark plug removal tool and the cylinder repair tool, regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Buy a Toyota and never look back fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIEF Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Ahh yes most fucked up and $$$ spark plugs ever. 5.4's are dope in the trucks, got lucky and only broke 2 off last week. High 5's all around Ford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1647545494 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 run the motor a little before you try to pull them out they move a little easier when everything is warm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterSS Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 We sell out of the Ford spark plug removal tool and the cylinder repair tool, regularly. do you know the Mac P/N and how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 We carry the Brisk one piece spark plugs in stock that fix this problem. They are not cheap but they wont break either plus they are gappable without a special tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoots Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 run the motor a little before you try to pull them out they move a little easier when everything is warm I had the motor up to temp, then let it cool until it was just warm. Then I let some penetrating oil soak for 30+min and they still fucking broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 so the oe plugs have never been out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 do you know the Mac P/N and how much? SP389FC is the repair kit for when the plugs blow out. $299.99 list price PE391FC is the plug extractor/repair kit for the 5.4s. $79.99 list price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterSS Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 SP389FC is the repair kit for when the plugs blow out. $299.99 list price PE391FC is the plug extractor/repair kit for the 5.4s. $79.99 list price thanks found my next Mac purchase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoots Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 so the oe plugs have never been out... No, those were the originals. Book says change at 90k, thought I was getting a jump on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92dropgt Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 yea im actually about to just go ahead and change mine before i have to deal with this shit. we have the tool at work....fuck actually having to use it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 No, those were the originals. Book says change at 90k, thought I was getting a jump on it. 90k is ridicoulous on one of those cars. From the sounds of it, you did okay. It really sucks when the porcelain breaks inside the sleave. I have seen the porcelain break right above the collar and the only way to get it out safely was to remove the cylinder head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOZZER Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 The best way to get them out is get it to operating temp. Back the plugs off one turn only. Then soak them with a decarbenizing agent. Let it set for an hour then they all come out with out breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 The best way to get them out is get it to operating temp. Back the plugs off one turn only. Then soak them with a decarbenizing agent. Let it set for an hour then they all come out with out breaking. Unfortunately that is not always the case. For the most part it works pretty well but there are going to be a few here and there that will not come out. Ive done several sets and have always followed that procedure. I have never had a set break in a stang but I have had a few F150's where nothing we could do would prevent the plug from snapping. Having a 2 piece spark plug just is not a good idea period. The best way to prevent it is preventative maintenance by getting the plugs out early, using antisieze on the joint, and replacing the plugs often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoots Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 90k is ridicoulous on one of those cars. From the sounds of it, you did okay. It really sucks when the porcelain breaks inside the sleave. I have seen the porcelain break right above the collar and the only way to get it out safely was to remove the cylinder head. I ordered two tools. One is for removing the porcelain, and the other for tapping and removing the sleeve. There is a little rubber stop that goes into the sleeve before you tap it to catch any metal shavings, but I am a bit nervous about the porcelain part. I have got some small tubing I am going to rig up to a shop vac to make sure nothing is left in there. If I miss so much of a spec of that porcelain....I don't want to even think about that. I am probably nuts for even trying to this myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordell Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Welcome to the new Ford initiation. Those def suck, hopefully they come out easy enough with the tool. Even with the tool I've had some be a PITA, that design sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradyPPC Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I ordered two tools. One is for removing the porcelain, and the other for tapping and removing the sleeve. There is a little rubber stop that goes into the sleeve before you tap it to catch any metal shavings, but I am a bit nervous about the porcelain part. I have got some small tubing I am going to rig up to a shop vac to make sure nothing is left in there. If I miss so much of a spec of that porcelain....I don't want to even think about that. I am probably nuts for even trying to this myself. The one for the porcelain is designed to push the porcelain down until it bottoms out in the sleeve and then hopefully you can tap it and grab it with the removal tool. I have had one that the porcelain broke above the crimp and with the porcelain bottomed out it I still couldnt get the tap in enough to get a good hold of the sleeve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I ordered two tools. One is for removing the porcelain, and the other for tapping and removing the sleeve. There is a little rubber stop that goes into the sleeve before you tap it to catch any metal shavings, but I am a bit nervous about the porcelain part. I have got some small tubing I am going to rig up to a shop vac to make sure nothing is left in there. If I miss so much of a spec of that porcelain....I don't want to even think about that. I am probably nuts for even trying to this myself. You don't need two. Lisle makes the removed that includes what they call a "porcelain pusher". That pushes the porcelain down into the sleeve so that you can get the extractor to bite properly. Their part number is 65600 IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 The one for the porcelain is designed to push the porcelain down until it bottoms out in the sleeve and then hopefully you can tap it and grab it with the removal tool. I have had one that the porcelain broke above the crimp and with the porcelain bottomed out it I still couldnt get the tap in enough to get a good hold of the sleeve. That's the Lisle one that I posted above, unless there's another I haven't seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 SP389FC is the repair kit for when the plugs blow out. $299.99 list price PE391FC is the plug extractor/repair kit for the 5.4s. $79.99 list price there is still only one kit he needs:p top kit http://www.denlorstools.com/home/dt1/page_12997/ford_spark_plug_blow_out_problems_how_to_repair.html that is for the 4 thread head fix(sorry mac didnt have a pic up hal fucking tool pushers) http://www.mactools.com/SearchResults/tabid/79/Default.aspx?Search=PE391FC this is the one for breaking the 2 peice plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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