Bam Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 a few g's is a good starting point i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 What's a mild 383 or 406, etc build run if i find used shit? You do machine work/build the engine? i build engines. i let machine shops machine parts. look at ohiocrankshaft.com or what ever there site is. take your block to them and just have the machine work done i thinking was 200 or so. but that was with me installing cam bearing ckearancing the block etc etc, when i just priced phils motor out ...ooppp's i didnt say that! but why? a stock block/bottom end would be more to your liking in budget, and tons of fun to go fast with. plus i know you. you'll get bored with it or tired of throwing moeny at it and get rid of it! and to make a 383 or 406 realy do work, you need a good set of heads, and so on. i know you your looking for bang for the buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTaylor751647545500 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/1108897744.html http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/1095817085.html Install either, beat the shit out of it, and enjoy for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 yeah, but the car's fucking cheap so i don't mind throwing a bit into an engine if it'll rock out. alright, well i'll start searching for a stock block and find a good set of used heads, an intake/carb and headers.. Any years/cubes specific to look for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/1108897744.html http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/1095817085.html Install either, beat the shit out of it, and enjoy for cheap. thanks for the links, but whats the difference btween the 350 in this car and those in the links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTaylor751647545500 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 3970010 is the block you want to look for IMO...4 bolt preferably. thanks for the links, but whats the difference btween the 350 in this car and those in the links? These are both 4 bolt main engines. The impala most likely isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Finding a good core 400 takes some searching. I drove to Youngstown for my 509 stamped 400. You can find some "decent" stroker rolling assemblies online for not too much money (depending on what your definition of "too much money" is). that cast shit wont live long with beating on it, or even being easy with it. i just priced a all forged stroker lt1 build(just the bottom 1/2, no cam,oil pan etc) at i think under 3k out the door.together. and that was the works, level 2 block prep, etc etc. i would waste my time with cast stuff. it just dont live long and those cheap chinese parts life is like flipping a quarter. we will just guess how long it lives. but you get what you pay for. now if you was looking to build something cool and sell it, then maybe i would consider it. but there are so many combos out there, its not funny. theres 100 different ways to build it and go fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 3970010 is the block you want to look for IMO...4 bolt preferably. These are both 4 bolt main engines. The impala most likely isn't. the 2 bolt's hold 4500 or so just fine. arp studs and call it a day edit i just gave away a 0010 4 bolt block, missing it caps. i just wanted it gone. hell i had it on here for ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 yeah, but the car's fucking cheap so i don't mind throwing a bit into an engine if it'll rock out. alright, well i'll start searching for a stock block and find a good set of used heads, an intake/carb and headers.. Any years/cubes specific to look for? vortec heads, and the street dominator intake(dual plane, makes power off idle to like 6800 or some dumb shit) that works for them! ill post the head numbers for those in a sec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTaylor751647545500 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Rob, everything I've read about the high-nickel casting blocks has been pretty positive. What issues have you seen or ran into personally when dealing with this style block? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 you say the cast shit ain't worth crap, but isn't the stock bottom end cast? i doubt anything was forged back then....? so rob, are you saying the engine thats in the car i should just leave as a starting point? i'd probably be satisfied with 400whp as I could probably hit my goal with that much, low 11's, seeing as how the 7 is lighter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 Rob, everything I've read about the high-nickel casting blocks has been pretty positive. What issues have you seen or ran into personally when dealing with this style block? breaking them at 600 plus horse... that 18 degree 406 just pushed the crank out of the stock block. pushed the mains right out the caps. had billet caps and all. ive had great luck with stock blokc and cranks, but they have there limit. matt, the casting for some of this cheap chinese cast stroker stuff.IMO..well you like flushing money away? if so just hand it to me. ill put it to better use. granted i have seen some live, but its a gamble. ive seen them break under normal driving. but normally get beat on ill put my money on forged stuff. edit, there was some forged stock stuff wasnt there? just not worth the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Posted April 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 rob, ballpark it, what do you think you could get those parts for and install them for? and what's your timeframe? or, if i get h/c/i and new carb setup, can you shoot me a install quote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 you say the cast shit ain't worth crap, but isn't the stock bottom end cast? i doubt anything was forged back then....? so rob, are you saying the engine thats in the car i should just leave as a starting point? i'd probably be satisfied with 400whp as I could probably hit my goal with that much, low 11's, seeing as how the 7 is lighter... you could, but which motor is it? throw a cam, and a set of heads on it, but look on the side of the block to make sure it dont say 305!some of the 80 90's blocks ahd it stamped right in the side lots of people will say something is a 350, but in the end its a 305 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 rob, ballpark it, what do you think you could get those parts for and install them for? and what's your timeframe? or, if i get h/c/i and new carb setup, can you shoot me a install quote? gm head number 12558060, throw a beehive spring on it with(with the stock spring you cant run more then .475 lift on one without machining them.beehive springs make it to where you run.560 max cam lift) but the right rockers and pushrods and so on... matt, theres so many different ways the build could go, aka shit i have to swap put on it etc, that change prices with more labor. a idea of what you already have to work with would give me a better idea on pricing vs your budget for that part of your build...you understand where im coming from here? like i said, give me a call one day this week and we can go from there with pricing. ill only tell you most cant beat my prices for the level and professionalism that you get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 There is 100x more info available on small blocks than can ever be discussed here. Run a quick Google search to find a couple forums that talk solely about small block Chevy's. Read for a few days. You can make 150hp or 500hp. There are more tricks and tweaks for these engines than any other ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianZ06 Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 Some good info here. Just check your casting numbers before you throw parts on it. Small Block Chevy Engine Block Identification General Engine Block Specifications While 6 different bore size blocks have been produced, the small block engine can be classified into 3 bore sizes and 3 main bearing sizes. 283 blocks (3.875" bore, 2.3" main), 302/327/350 blocks (4" bore, 2.3" or 2.45" mains), and 400 blocks (4.126", 2.65" mains). In 1968 the main bearing saddles were increased in size from 2.3" to 2.45". CID Year Bore Main Cap 262 1975 3.671 2 bolt ONLY 267 1979 - 81 3.500 2 bolt ONLY 305 1976 - 96 3.736 2 bolt ONLY 307 1968 - 73 3.875 2 bolt ONLY 327 1968-69 4.001 (2.3" main) 2 bolt 350 1968-88 4.001 (2.3" main) 2 bolt 265 1994 4.001 (2.45" main) 2 bolt 302 1968-69 4.001 (2.45" main) 4 bolt 350 1968-96 4.001 (2.45" main) 4 bolt 400 1970-72 4.126 (2.65" main) 4 bolt 400 1973-80 4.126 (2.65" main) 2 bolt Notes: 2 bolt ONLY means what it says. You will NOT find a 4 bolt 305 block (made by the factory). Period. Otherwise 2 or 4 bolt can mean either design... Engine Code Stamping Numbers All engines are stamped with an engine ID code, consisting of assembly plant code, production date and suffix code. V8 codes are stamped on a pad just forward of the right side (passenger) cylinder head. 6 cylinder engines are stamped on the passenger side of the block behind the distributor. The engine date must precede the car build date, otherwise something is amiss. Some engine machining operations (decking) will obliterate the engine ID. Engine ID Code Example: V0101CLJ - (V = Plant, 01 = Month, 01 = Day, CLJ = Engine Suffix Code) Engine Plant Code Flint (Motor/6-cyl) F Hydramatic H St. Catherines, Ontario K (McKinnon Industries Canada) GM of Mexico M Saginaw Service S Tonawanda T Flint (Engine/V8) V Casting Clock On some Saginaw blocks, intakes and exhausts a "clock" was cast into the block. The clock is a circle of 10 dots, one dot for each hour of a shift (usually 10 hour shifts). An arrow points to the beginning of the shift an another dot outside the circle indicates what time of day the cast part was made. Anyways, that's what that circle thing is (if you happen to see it on something). Casting Date Small block casting date is located on driver side rear of block on flange forward of bellhousing. Big block on the right side of engine above the oil pan rails. Casting Date Example: E038 - (E = Month, 03 = Day, 8 = Last digit of model year (1978)). Month: A = Jan, B = Feb, C = Mar, D = Apr, E = May, F = Jun, G = July, H = Aug, I = Sep, J = Oct, K = Nov, L = Dec VIN Code Format The vin code format is stamped onto most engines. The format consists of divisional identification number, model year, assembly plant designation and vehicle serial or sequence number. In 68-69 model cars, the serial (VIN) number of the car the engine was installed in is stamped next to, or under the engine code ID. Starting in 1970, the serial number is stamped either above the oil filter, somewhere on the block pad (in front of the cylinder head), or on the transmission flange somewhere. Chevrolet issued technical service bulletins to indicate which engines were to recieve a vin stamp, so who knows what could have happend (or not happened). VIN code format Example: 13N100001 (1 = Chevrolet, 3 = 1973, N = Norwood, 100001 = Production sequence) Engine Block Casting Numbers Notes (for below): "High Power" is the maximum rate HP this block was used for, "Low Power" is the lowest rated horsepower RPO engine the block was used in. "Main Caps" is the number of bolts holding the cap. A "two-bolt" main, or a four-bolt main. Four bolt main blocks are desirable in high performance applications because the extra strength of the additional bolts keeps the bottom end rigid and less prone to failure. However, a properly prepared 2 bolt main engine will work just fine (often times you'll lose a rod bolt before you break a crank because it's "only" a 2 bolt main). Years Casting CID Main Caps Comments 1980-85 140029 350 - - 2 car 1973-80 330817 400 - - 2 car, truck 1975 355909 262 - - 2 car, truck 1976-85 355909 305 - - 2 A 1975 360851 262 - - 2 Monza 1976-79 361979 305 - - 2 car, truck 1978-86 366245 350 - - - car 1982-86 366286 350 - - 4 Chevrolet, siamese 1982 366299 350 - - 4 Chevrolet, aluminium 1956-67 383810 283 - - 2 - 1967-68 389257 302 - - 2 Z-28 1968-73 391436 307 - - 2 - 1965-67 393288 283 - - 2 car, truck 1976-79 460776 305 - - 2 car, truck 1976-79 460777 305 - - 2 car 1978-79 460778 305 - - 2 car, truck 1979-82 471511 267 - - 2 car, truck 1976-85 581671 305 - - 2 A 1985-94 1489363 350 - - 2 - 1979-82 2135412 267 - - 2 - 1979-82 2404929 267 - - 2 1973-76 3030817 400 - - 2 car, truck 1958-61 3556519 283 - - 2 car, truck 1955 3703524 265 195 _ 2 car, no filter 1955-56 3720991 265 195 225 2 car, truck 1957 3731548 283 220 283 2 - 1956-67 3736935 283 - - 2 - 1957-59 3737739 283 220 290 2 car, truck 1958-62 3756519 283 230 315 2 car, truck 1956-67 3756935 283 - - 2 - 1962-65 3782870 327 250 375 2 car, truck 1956-67 3789187 283 - - 2 - 1962-67 3789817 327 210 275 2 car, truck 1961-64 3789935 283 230 315 2 car, truck, Vette 1966-67 3790721 283 - - 2 Chevy II 1964-67 3791362 327 300 300 2 Chevy II 1958-62 3794226 283 220 220 2 truck 1968-69 3794460 327 250 250 2 truck 1968-69 3814660 327 - - 2 F A 1968-69 3814660 302 - - 4 Camaro, Z-28, Vette 1956-67 3832338 283 - - 2 - 1956-67 3834812 283 - - 2 - 1958-62 3837739 283 - - 2 - 1957-66 3849852 283 220 - 2 car, truck 1956-67 3849859 283 - - 2 - 1956-67 3849935 283 - - 2 - 1964-67 3852174 327 - - 2 car, truck 1968-76 3855961 350 - - 2 car 1964-67 3858174 327 300 - 2 A 1964-67 3858180 327 250 - 2 - 1962-67 3858190 327 - - 2 - 1966-67 3862194 283 - - 2 Chevy II 1962-66 3864812 283 230 - 2 car, truck 1964-67 3868657 327 300 - 2 1962-67 3876132 327 - - 2 1963 3889935 283 - - 2 truck 1962-67 3892657 327 - - 2 car, truck 1967 3892657 302 290 - Z-28, small journal 1968-69 3892659 327 210 - 2 1962-66 3896944 283 230 - 2 1965-67 3896948 283 - - 2 1964-67 3903352 327 250 - 2 1969-80 3911460 350 - - 2 A 1968-73 3914635 307 - - 2 car 1968-73 3914636 307 - - 2 car, truck 1968-69 3914638 327 - - 2 1968-73 3914653 307 - - 2 A 1968-69 3914660 327 250 - 2 truck 1968-69 3914678 302 290 - 2/4 Camaro, Z-28 1968-69 3914678 327 210 295 4 car, truck 1968 3914678 350 210 295 4 cars 1965-67 3932288 283 - - 2 A 1956-67 3932338 283 - - 2 1974-75 3932368 350 - - 2 1969-73 3932371 307 - - 2 car,truck 1969-73 3932373 307 - - 2 car,truck 1968-69 3932386 350 300 350 4 LT1,4 1968 3932386 327 - - 2 A 1969 3932386 302 290 - 4 Camaro,Z28 1969-76 3932388 350 165 300 2 car,truck 1968-69 3933100 327 - - 2 1968-69 3933180 327 - - 2 1968 3941174 307 - - 2 truck 1956-67 3949852 283 - - 2 1973-80 3951509 400 - - 2 car,truck 1970-73 3951511 400 - - 4 truck 1962-67 3953512 327 - - 2 1968-69 3955618 327 - - 4 A,F,Vette 1969 3956618 302 290 - 4 Z28 1969-79 3956618 350 165 350 4 car, truck, vette 1969-76 3958618 350 - - 2 A 1962-63 3959512 327 250 - 2 1956-67 3959532 283 - - 2 1968 3970010 327 - - 2 A 1969-79 3970010 350 185 370 2 or 4 car, truck, Vette 1968-76 3970014 350 - - 2 car,truck 1969-73 3970020 307 - - 2 car,truck 1968-76 6259425 350 - - - car,truck 1980-84 14010201 305 - - 2 car,truck 1980-84 14010202 305 - - 2 car,truck 1980-84 14010203 305 - - 2 car, truck 1980-82 14010205 267 - - 2 - 1980-85 14010207 350 - - 4 truck 1980-85 14010209 350 - - 4 truck 1978-86 14010231 305 - - 2 - 1979-82 14010280 267 - - 2 car 1982 14011064 350 - - 4 Chevrolet, high tin 1979-82 14016375 267 - - 2 - 1979-82 14016376 267 - - 2 car 1978-85 14016379 350 - - - car, truck 1980-84 14016381 305 - - 2 car, truck 1978-88 14016383 305 - - 2 - 1979-82 14040205 267 - - 2 - 1978-86 14049047 305 - - 2 1986-94 14079287 350 - - - 1987 14088526 350 - - 2 Camaro 1986-94 14088548 350 - - - - 1986-92 14088551 305 - - 2 - 1988-94 14093627 305 - - 2 - 1986-94 14093638 350 - - - 1988-94 14094766 305 - - 2 1986-94 14101148 350 - - - 1987-88 14102058 305 - - 2 1969-85 14316379 350 - - 2 Small Chevy Bolt Torque Information 7/16 in. outer main cap bolt 65 ft.-lbs. 7/16 in. inner main cap bolt 70 ft.-lbs. 3/8 in. outer main cap bolt 40 ft.-lbs. 11/32 in. connecting rod bolt 38-44 ft.-lbs. 3/8 in. connecting rod bolt 40-45 ft.-lbs. Cylinder head bolts 65 ft.-lbs. Screw-in rocker arm studs 50 ft.-lbs. Intake manifold bolts (cast iron heads) 30 ft.-lbs. Oil pump bolt 60-70 ft.-lbs. Cam sprocket bolts 18-20 ft.-lbs. Harmonic damper bolt 60 ft.-lbs. Flywheel/flexplate bolts 65 ft.-lbs. Pressure plate bolts 35 ft.-lbs. Bellhousing bolts 25 ft.-lbs. Exhaust manifold bolts 25 ft.-lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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