cbrjess0815 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/16/british.french.submarine.incident/index.htmlThis could have been really really bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harb67 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Seriously? That had to be really akward. "Hey, don't you guys have a state-of-the-art sonar system that should be able to detect a GIANT SUBMARINE when it is right next to you? Yeah, where were you on that one? Oh, our sonar? Umm...."No but seriously, someone is getting fired over this. You'd think that rule number 1 of operating a nuclear sub is "Don't run into shit, especially foreign shit that is also laden with nuclear weapons" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) "Even in an ocean the size of the North Atlantic the submarines are eventually going to be in the same patch of water at the same time," he said.O Rly? No matter what we do, no matter the technology and sophisticated gadgetry we provide, humans are just huge f*(kups.It's funny to think that water covers 3/4ths of the planet and they have that whole 3rd dimension (depth) to avoid running into other people, and they still can't accomplish that. Maybe instead of being fired, they should be commended. It takes a LOT of talent and balls to run two pieces of multimillion dollar NUCLEAR equipment into each other at slow speeds. Most people would've just fired a torpedo. Edited February 16, 2009 by JRMMiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Stupid. You pay 100% attention with those things! Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 its the french. what did you expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 the First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Jonathan Band Here's your problem, right here Actually.....REEEAALLLY.....I had NO idea the French even had a Navy?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 They were probably trying to re-enact some old joust from medieval times that both their families are still arguing about who won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Here's your problem, right here Actually.....REEEAALLLY.....I had NO idea the French even had a Navy?!? its true, they are the ones who instead of running away from the fight they swim away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbarron77 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 the article never stated WHY/HOW they ran into one another.....Overheard from sub to sub communication...."No, you turn right""No, YOU turn right" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Nuclear powered, or armed with nukes, Either way it shouldn't blow ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Probably like... "You turn right" "Ok, and I'll turn left.""Good plan." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 These boomers use passive sonar, they listen only. And both were super quiet. I doubt if either one could be heard at low throttle. combined with the thermoclines (layers of hot and cold water) around the Mediterranean outflow, they just never heard a thing.Or they were playing games with each other, trying to follow and/or get away.Nuclear stuff, the reactor is safe unless it is physically breached. Very hard to do. The weapons are just dangerous hot rocks in a can until armed. If they are in shallow water, you have to go get them or some one else will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 true. plus they are dual hull. but depressurization is a bitch.I worked with mostly Ohio class boomers, but also a few Los Angeles class. Boomers are an amazing thing to behold. 24 Tridents FTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC51 John Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 These boomers use passive sonar, they listen only. And both were super quiet. I doubt if either one could be heard at low throttle. combined with the thermoclines (layers of hot and cold water) around the Mediterranean outflow, they just never heard a thing.Or they were playing games with each other, trying to follow and/or get away.Nuclear stuff, the reactor is safe unless it is physically breached. Very hard to do. The weapons are just dangerous hot rocks in a can until armed. If they are in shallow water, you have to go get them or some one else will.+1I was stationed aboard both and they are very quiet.The boomers (nuclear missile boats) also travel at very slow speeds.I would say they were probably playing games lost each other in the thermal layers. Which is quite easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 +1I was stationed aboard both and they are very quiet.The boomers (nuclear missile boats) also travel at very slow speeds.I would say they were probably playing games lost each other in the thermal layers. Which is quite easy to do.no shit. good to know. I was at Kings Bay for 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC51 John Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 no shit. good to know. I was at Kings Bay for 2 years.I was at New London, CT and Charleston, SC. I did a single boomer cruse out of Holy Lock, ScotlandUSS L. Mendel Rivers (SSN 686)USS George C Marshall (SSBN 654)USS Gato (SSN 615) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagr Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I was at New London, CT and Charleston, SC. I did a single boomer cruse out of Holy Lock, ScotlandUSS L. Mendel Rivers (SSN 686)USS George C Marshall (SSBN 654)USS Gato (SSN 615)I think Charleston shut down some/all of their ops. while i was at KB. WE also had some British boats at KB getting fitted for the Trident. THOSE dudes are REAL drinkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbrjess0815 Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 May I ask what you guys mean by 'playing games'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 playing games is war game maneuvers. Learning to avoid detection, or to break off and slip away if found. Conversely, Learning to detect, and keep the contact. And now that I think about it, it's unlikely they were playing games. Both were boomer missile subs, dedicated to silence and stealth, not attack. Attack subs would be hunting them. They wouldn't be hunting each other, unless... they were playing games, lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Here's the point... to enter the Mediterranean Sea, subs must travel a narrow specific course to avoid detection as well as simply getting there through a deep channel. Chances are both subs were doing that, which increased the odds of a collision. There's only a few places in the world where something like that might happen under water, and that's one of them. Even if both France and England claim they were somewhere else when it happened. They wouldn't want to give away important exact locations. Expensive error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbluebird Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 so just checking boomers zombie proof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I bet dolphins don't run into shit, and don't carry their nuclear guts around. WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC51 John Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 so just checking boomers zombie proof?They are long as they don't return to port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC51 John Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Here's the point... to enter the Mediterranean Sea, subs must travel a narrow specific course to avoid detection as well as simply getting there through a deep channel. Chances are both subs were doing that, which increased the odds of a collision. There's only a few places in the world where something like that might happen under water, and that's one of them. Even if both France and England claim they were somewhere else when it happened. They wouldn't want to give away important exact locations. Expensive error.+1On our Med cruse we actually had to wait for a specific time window to enter/exit through the Straits of Gibraltar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 true. plus they are dual hull. but depressurization is a bitch.I worked with mostly Ohio class boomers, but also a few Los Angeles class. Boomers are an amazing thing to behold. 24 Tridents FTW.Actually they are not dual hull...neither are ours. The Russian Typhoons and Oscars are the only subs I know that use a true dual hull.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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