CRed05 Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q2/z_meets_wall_we_investigate_why_the_nismo_z_s_brakes_failed_at_lightning_lap-feature ...Our suspicion is that Nissan got a bit greedy in its quest for today’s all-important fuel-economy numbers and boosted the Z’s aerodynamics a little too far by cutting back on the amount of air directed through the wheel wells to cool the brakes. Key takeaway: If you intend to track a Z, don’t use the base pads, upgrade the brake fluid, and be sure to install brake-cooling ducts. Also, VW/Audi > * Nissan’s DOT 3–grade fluid, which is used in everything except the GT-R, has a dry boiling point of 450 degrees F. That’s identical to that of GM’s DOT 3 fluid, which is used throughout most of the General’s lineup, including Corvettes, but is not as extreme as VW/Audi’s 509-degree DOT 4 fluid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL_Josh Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 repost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwilli1647545487 Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Should have bought a Toyota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.1cutlass Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Funny that even through the Vette uses the same fluid it survived the test just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinHawk1647545499 Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Should have bought a Toyota who needs brakes when you got a Toyota, heck they dont work any ways.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skruffy Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 If you intend to track any car, don’t use the base pads, upgrade the brake fluid, and be sure to install brake-cooling ducts. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Nissan needs to stop cheaping out on all their shit. Even my volvo comes standard with a DOT4 equivalent fluid and vented brakes, and its never been advertised as a sports car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Good, a new bandwagon for import haters to jump on, aside from Toyota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limitedslip7 Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 I'd still buy one; those cars are so damn sexy. Far better looking than any Vdub or Audi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinman Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 So another journalist with little to no driving talent destroys a car and immediately tries to place blame on anything he can. Couldn't be his fault, he works for Car and Driver:jerkit: Anyone who plans to do more than a few laps around a road course should plan on upgrading fluid and pads no matter what they are driving or how much it cost. Brake pads up to the task of heavy track duty are miserable on the street. They make noise, kill rotors, and don't perform when cold. An auto manufacturer couldn't sell a car with pads like that. Back to the journalist, Pads don't just stop working, there are many warning signs. If he is unable to detect the brakes going away he needs to stay off the track and stick to reviewing minivans. And who's to say he wasn't over working the brakes in the first place? Poor driving is the number one cause of brake fade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelloman4571647545499 Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 God Matt stop knowing everything about road racing, damn nerd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinman Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 God Matt stop knowing everything about road racing, damn nerd. I don't know everything. I still have no idea how to get your ass to the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTHER91 Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 God Clark stop posting on the Internet like you used to do and get back to work. This is a no lurker zone pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So another journalist with little to no driving talent destroys a car and immediately tries to place blame on anything he can. Couldn't be his fault, he works for Car and Driver:jerkit: Anyone who plans to do more than a few laps around a road course should plan on upgrading fluid and pads no matter what they are driving or how much it cost. Brake pads up to the task of heavy track duty are miserable on the street. They make noise, kill rotors, and don't perform when cold. An auto manufacturer couldn't sell a car with pads like that. Um, so someone intending to test the performance of a stock vehicle should upgrade some of the most important parts of that car, thus rendering all findings completely and totally useless? Hmm, interesting testing methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallard Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So another journalist with little to no driving talent destroys a car and immediately tries to place blame on anything he can. Couldn't be his fault, he works for Car and Driver:jerkit: Anyone who plans to do more than a few laps around a road course should plan on upgrading fluid and pads no matter what they are driving or how much it cost. Brake pads up to the task of heavy track duty are miserable on the street. They make noise, kill rotors, and don't perform when cold. An auto manufacturer couldn't sell a car with pads like that. Back to the journalist, Pads don't just stop working, there are many warning signs. If he is unable to detect the brakes going away he needs to stay off the track and stick to reviewing minivans. And who's to say he wasn't over working the brakes in the first place? Poor driving is the number one cause of brake fade. In their defense, it was the "Lightning Lap" test, which is only for performance cars. Up until now no car has had that type of issue (Even Cobalt's, GTI's, Genesis Coupe, etc). I'm not sure who the driver was, but for this test they usually select pro drivers. It wasn't some hack journalist at the track because there were free doughnuts for breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitual Sinner Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 Um, so someone intending to test the performance of a stock vehicle should upgrade some of the most important parts of that car, thus rendering all findings completely and totally useless? Hmm, interesting testing methods. The car isn't designed to handle that kind of stress, therefore, testing it in that manor, you can/should expect things to go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitual Sinner Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 I'm not sure who the driver was, but for this test they usually select pro drivers. So wouldn't a pro driver be more likely to drive it like it's a race car, instead of the day-to-day drivin car it was meant to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 The car isn't designed to handle that kind of stress, therefore, testing it in that manor, you can/should expect things to go wrong. Except in other cars, things didn't. So wouldn't a pro driver be more likely to drive it like it's a race car, instead of the day-to-day drivin car it was meant to be? Or since it was a pro driver you can get consistent test results. A 370z is not a day to day driving car. It is a go fast car that people will want to drive fast and hard, and this test found that it fails at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 I'd still buy one; those cars are so damn sexy. Far better looking than any Vdub or Audi. R8 what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMeanGreen Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 No. If anyone knows a jackass (white guy, late 20s/early 30s) in Columbus with a bright blue 350Z, lemme know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Removed Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 370z's are fast? just internet rumors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 I saw an S5 the other day in Dayton, damn that is a sexy car. S5 > anything Nissan including the skyline wannabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 I saw an S5 the other day in Dayton, damn that is a sexy car. S5 > anything Nissan including the skyline wannabe. this is one of those rare occasions that i agree with you....s5 = sex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitual Sinner Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 this is one of those rare occasions that i agree with you....s5 = sex +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boosted98gst Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 That car is missing one thing, a gay euro front plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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