Earl1647545488 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 So did Obama go on vacation to Chicago in order to visit the Illinois cemetery or did he go to the Illinois cemetery because he was on vacation in Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUGT Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 so kick BP's ass while the economy tanks, and unemployment skyrockets. Wow, I feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 So did Obama go on vacation to Chicago in order to visit the Illinois cemetery or did he go to the Illinois cemetery because he was on vacation in Chicago? Does it really matter? Here's my take. Laying a wreath in Arlington is a symbolic gesture that is pretty much meaningless. I can hate America with every fiber of my being and still go out there and plunk a wreath down, wave a little flag, and have all the patriots schlobbing my knob. It's a nice thing to do, sure, but it's not the most important thing the president does. It's not even the most important thing he does on that day, probably. In the past, presidents have realized this and sent delegates when they're not in town. Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr all did this, and nobody questioned their patriotism. Furthermore, if McCain were in office and you were his advisor, and he said, "Hey, I've got things I want to do in Arizona this weekend, think anyone would care if I sent Palin instead and laid a wreath in Phoenix somewhere?" You'd be like, "Well, sure, whatever, who cares. The memorial day wreath-laying isn't something I look forward to, and I don't check the TV schedule in the morning so I can be sure to catch it." Because honestly, when was the last time you even paid attention to it? But for some reason everyone is now a patriotism expert and claims that they've always considered the memorial day wreath laying at Arlington to be super important. And to that, I can't roll my eyes enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Does it really matter? Here's my take. Laying a wreath in Arlington is a symbolic gesture that is pretty much meaningless. I can hate America with every fiber of my being and still go out there and plunk a wreath down, wave a little flag, and have all the patriots schlobbing my knob. It's a nice thing to do, sure, but it's not the most important thing the president does. It's not even the most important thing he does on that day, probably. In the past, presidents have realized this and sent delegates when they're not in town. Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr all did this, and nobody questioned their patriotism. Furthermore, if McCain were in office and you were his advisor, and he said, "Hey, I've got things I want to do in Arizona this weekend, think anyone would care if I sent Palin instead and laid a wreath in Phoenix somewhere?" You'd be like, "Well, sure, whatever, who cares. The memorial day wreath-laying isn't something I look forward to, and I don't check the TV schedule in the morning so I can be sure to catch it." Because honestly, when was the last time you even paid attention to it? But for some reason everyone is now a patriotism expert and claims that they've always considered the memorial day wreath laying at Arlington to be super important. And to that, I can't roll my eyes enough. McCain took 44k from BP so if he was the pres he would be in on it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormulaMatt Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Does it really matter? Here's my take. Laying a wreath in Arlington is a symbolic gesture that is pretty much meaningless. I can hate America with every fiber of my being and still go out there and plunk a wreath down, wave a little flag, and have all the patriots schlobbing my knob. It's a nice thing to do, sure, but it's not the most important thing the president does. It's not even the most important thing he does on that day, probably. In the past, presidents have realized this and sent delegates when they're not in town. Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr all did this, and nobody questioned their patriotism. Furthermore, if McCain were in office and you were his advisor, and he said, "Hey, I've got things I want to do in Arizona this weekend, think anyone would care if I sent Palin instead and laid a wreath in Phoenix somewhere?" You'd be like, "Well, sure, whatever, who cares. The memorial day wreath-laying isn't something I look forward to, and I don't check the TV schedule in the morning so I can be sure to catch it." Because honestly, when was the last time you even paid attention to it? But for some reason everyone is now a patriotism expert and claims that they've always considered the memorial day wreath laying at Arlington to be super important. And to that, I can't roll my eyes enough. Did you serve? I'm thinking not. I will apologize if I am wrong though. Not to say it only matters to us who have, but I think we hold something of this nature closer to heart. To answer your question though - To ME, Yes, it does matter. It is a sign of respect and honor from the Commander in Chief on a nationally recognized day. I also feel every President should do it personally, not a dignitary (unless major circumstances prevent it). I do agree with you though, most people would not normally question it under other circumstances. That I will roll my eyes with you about. I feel the same way about people and the US flag. After 9/11 it was a great feeling and sight to see everyone buying up and flying the flag. Now, I realize it was a band wagon thing for many people. Most homes that flew their flag, only put it out at the holidays again (if that). It's sad it takes such an extreme to unite us all, but there is such other BS out there that can so easily divide us. "Divided we stand...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Oh fuck, I had a serious response typed out, but I just saw your source is Rush Limbaugh so never mind. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001451.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 Did you serve? I'm thinking not. I will apologize if I am wrong though. Not to say it only matters to us who have, but I think we hold something of this nature closer to heart." 8 years active duty air force, currently a reservist. Signed up in Nov 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormulaMatt Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 8 years active duty air force, currently a reservist. Signed up in Nov 2001. Then I do apologize. For the most part, like I said, I agree with you on peoples attitudes regarding this event. It was just my .02 that differed. Very glad to hear you served. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 It is the air force though, and I do get extremely uncomfortable comparing my service to say, a corporal in the reserve doing patrols in Iraq. I know my place in the hierarchy of service to ones country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrblunt Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 To answer your question though - To ME, Yes, it does matter. It is a sign of respect and honor from the Commander in Chief on a nationally recognized day. I also feel every President should do it personally, not a dignitary (unless major circumstances prevent it). I guess what I was saying is that even though he wasn't at Arlington he was still at a ceremony paying respect to those in service and those past. It seems to me like the right continues to question his commitment to the defense of this country and he really can't do anything good enough for them. I recently saw on the Drudge Report that he committed another 40k to the middle east and has boosted the number of drone attacks aimed at al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I remember last fall he made a midnight visit to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware to witness the return of dead GIs(which his predecessor never did according to what I just read). He certainly didn't up and pull everyone out like everyone was concerned about before he came into office. I haven't read anything about any serious cuts to funding as we continue to throw 100 Billion dollars a year into the commitment. The message I'm getting is he's committed to continuing to keep us safe, not that he doesn't give a shit. Maybe I don't get my news from the right places?? Perhaps I should listen to this Rush guy everyone talks about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormulaMatt Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 I guess what I was saying is that even though he wasn't at Arlington he was still at a ceremony paying respect to those in service and those past. It seems to me like the right continues to question his commitment to the defense of this country and he really can't do anything good enough for them. I recently saw on the Drudge Report that he committed another 40k to the middle east and has boosted the number of drone attacks aimed at al-Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I remember last fall he made a midnight visit to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware to witness the return of dead GIs(which his predecessor never did according to what I just read). He certainly didn't up and pull everyone out like everyone was concerned about before he came into office. I haven't read anything about any serious cuts to funding as we continue to throw 100 Billion dollars a year into the commitment. The message I'm getting is he's committed to continuing to keep us safe, not that he doesn't give a shit. Maybe I don't get my news from the right places?? Perhaps I should listen to this Rush guy everyone talks about. I do agree it is good he did something. But, I have to revert back to Earls question of did he just go there because he was on vacation in IL? I am just a creature of tradition. I feel if he could have been there, he should have been. Reagan, it sounds like could probably get a pass for not being there. Both Bush's I would absolutely question where they were as well. Unfortunately the quote does not specify for them like it did Reagan. Like I said, I am not on one side of the fence barking at the "other" party here. I am only speaking on my feelings of American Traditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 So did Obama go on vacation to Chicago in order to visit the Illinois cemetery or did he go to the Illinois cemetery because he was on vacation in Chicago? Does it fucking matter since he was still paying respects somewhere, somehow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Obama hates black people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 I still think in a 1x1 fight He-Man can take the Incredible Hulk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 so kick BP's ass while the economy tanks, and unemployment skyrockets. Wow, I feel better. lol Fuckin A. I feel fairly certain you're one of 'those' people. If you truly need me to explain, I will. Does it really matter? Here's my take. Laying a wreath in Arlington is a symbolic gesture that is pretty much meaningless. I can hate America with every fiber of my being and still go out there and plunk a wreath down, wave a little flag, and have all the patriots schlobbing my knob. It's a nice thing to do, sure, but it's not the most important thing the president does. It's not even the most important thing he does on that day, probably. In the past, presidents have realized this and sent delegates when they're not in town. Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr all did this, and nobody questioned their patriotism. Furthermore, if McCain were in office and you were his advisor, and he said, "Hey, I've got things I want to do in Arizona this weekend, think anyone would care if I sent Palin instead and laid a wreath in Phoenix somewhere?" You'd be like, "Well, sure, whatever, who cares. The memorial day wreath-laying isn't something I look forward to, and I don't check the TV schedule in the morning so I can be sure to catch it." Because honestly, when was the last time you even paid attention to it? But for some reason everyone is now a patriotism expert and claims that they've always considered the memorial day wreath laying at Arlington to be super important. And to that, I can't roll my eyes enough. Was he wearing a flag pin?! If he wasn't, he hates Amerika. I'm an expert on these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleguy Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100608/ts_alt_afp/usoilpollutionenvironment I am happy that he would be so angry at this shit to just be real. Though i must say I bet the republicans eat this alive. Obama your my brother from another mother. Obama is only acting angry so the stupids will be happy with him. What good does getting angry do? Everybody knows I live in Hannity's America, and even I don't think Obama has handled the spill wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 To the OP: Yeah right.... he's just mad because he has to keep going down there.. Blah Obama blah change blah hope... I didn't buy it from the start...Only the weaker-than's did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Here is my take on Obama skipping out on the Memorial day services at Arlington. As said prior, other presidents have skipped out on the ceremonies but there is a major difference here. The other presidents did not start their presidency by going on a tour of apology for our country. The other presidents did not change the term terrorism to man made disasters. Now are troops are fight people who cause man mad disasters not terrorist. To me this is just another insult to America from this President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Your liberal political views just about give me an ulcer, Thorne. Archie's post +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I still think in a 1x1 fight He-Man can take the Incredible Hulk... I don't know... Does he still get the use of his sword? I believe He-Man would win if they were in their 'regular' forms. Nobody stops the Hulk. And don't you reference that DC vs. Marvel crap. They gave that to Superman. Whatta fag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Your liberal political views just about give me an ulcer, Thorne. Archie's post +2 Your 'cluth' is in the mail? Maybe, you should could get 'cluth' on how to spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 (edited) Your 'cluth' is in the mail? Maybe, you should could get 'cluth' on how to spell. Seriously, that's it? Edited June 10, 2010 by Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Seriously, that's it? Yeah, that's all I got. Edit: Hahaha!! I just noticed 'the change'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I thought you would notice that eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshymkiw83 Posted June 11, 2010 Report Share Posted June 11, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM59bbp0Wsw He is so great, he is now punishing Whistle Blowers.... Great Transparency and Openness he has created. CHANGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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