87GT Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 /puts on flame suit Excluding the 9/11 atrocities fewer than 500 people died in the U.S. from terrorist attacks between 1970 and 2010. There has been 39 terror plots foiled since Sept 2010. Of all of these 23 might plausibly have resulted in terror attacks of one sort or another. Making the huge assumption that all 23 plausible plots would have succeeded in killing an average of 100 Americans each, that means that 2,300 would have died in the last 10 years, or about 230 per year. Even at this higher rate, your chances of dying in a terrorist attack would be about 1 in 1.7 million. Now explain to me again why college dropouts are allowed to violate our rights at the airport ? See the following for more information http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/05/39-terror-plots-foiled-since-911-examining-counterterrorisms-success-stories http://www.start.umd.edu/start/announcements/BackgroundReport_10YearsSince9_11.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Just another TROLL THREAD. everybody now move along. Nothing to see here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Trowel wants touched by ladyboys instead of dudes. HE'S MAD BRO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 All the above is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POS VETT Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Skawwy brah ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 trowa its cause we got people like the shoe bombers and the fruit of kaboom bomber. i don't like it anymore than you do. guess its a small price to pay to fly the friendly skies. now, if you woulda made a little troll thread about the FBI creating a web crawler on social media outlets, looking for keywords, id be with you. but this feeble attempt is obvious. 3/10 - creativity 2/10 - growth potential 4/10 - total score (6/10 on the trowa curve) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 The thing is, the TSA did nothing to foil those 23 attacks. They either failed to do their job by allowing the bombs to get on the planes, where the terrorists were stopped by passengers (as will always happen in a post-9/11 world), or the plots were stopped by our intelligence agencies before the terrorists had a chance to board the planes in the first place. Which is how it should be. The TSA is a pointless display of security theater, and we can arrive at this conclusion without having to get into the unpleasant business of putting a value on American lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 The TSA is a pointless display of security theater Holy shit I agree with greg on something. The illusion of security is the American way. Write your congressman? The .gov isn't real eager to give up power and control of something but the TSA needs to dissolve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 its just more jobs in a poor economy, though it was created before the stock market crash, its still jobs for people, I'm not mad about it, then again, I don't fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 The funny thing is, the TSA isn't mandatory. Airports can contract to private security companies if they want. But I think there's just too many reach-arounds happening on capitol hill to get more than the current handful of airports to kick the TSA out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Holy shit I agree with greg on something. The illusion of security is the American way. Write your congressman? The .gov isn't real eager to give up power and control of something but the TSA needs to dissolve. It's a lose-lose proposition for politicians. If they dissolve the TSA and something happens, then it's their fault for dissolving the TSA, even though the TSA probably wouldn't have done shit to stop it anyway. What amazes me is that last summer (i think) when there was all that "don't grope me bro" public outcry against the TSA for giving us the choice of getting hand-raped or cancerized, nothing happened on capitol hill. I thought for sure that it would at least get scaled back, since the public will was there and everyone was going on about cutting the budget. It would have been a no-brainer. "We've saved money and we'll stop groping your children!" Sadly, I think the mood has passed and now we're stuck with the TSA forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 first world problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Airports can contract to private security companies if they want. I didn't want to say this but you already did. I always felt this way. The airport is a private company not a government facility. Even worse is how security is in other countries. Last out of country airport I left you went through customs with the same two questions coming into the country, where are you coming/going, and what are you doing? Move along sir. There was no "tsa checkpoint" you just go to the gate where your plane is. Every gate has an X-Ray machine for your carry-ons and for your body. Everyone gets the same treatment. Ask a few normal questions about your luggage, where were you, why, where are you going, then go through the cancer x-ray machine. Last time I forgot to remove my beanie hat from my back pocket and it picked that up. They showed me the screen which was a basic outline of a human with a square over my pocket. The airport employee asked me if I forgot to remove something. I showed them my hat and said I was sorry I forgot to remove it. They told me no problem and let me get on the plane. No random searches in the checkpoint and also no 2nd random searches before you board the plane. This would never happen in the USA. Edited February 21, 2012 by 87GT Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 The TSA is attacking CR databse! Run! That's basically how the border crossing used to be, "who are you, where are you going and why, how long are you going there?" type stuff. More effective to have someone sharp and keen actually talking to people instead of a brain-slug just going through the motions. I'd like to see something like that in airports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensan Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 its just more jobs in a poor economy, though it was created before the stock market crash, its still jobs for people, I'm not mad about it, then again, I don't fly Tell us again how make-work jobs for uneducated people funded by the working class are a good thing. Then tell us about how it doesn't affect you. Fuckin' douche. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Without getting into too much detail, I think to some degree the U.S. need to examine and adopt parts of Israeli airport security. It all starts the same way as traffic stops in the U.S. do: Officer: "Good morning, where are you coming from and where are you going?" Basic first level of security not even remotely observed by the TSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Officer: "Good morning, where are you coming from and where are you going?" Basic first level of security not even remotely observed by the TSA. They used to do that, don't you remember? Did you pack your bags yourself? Did anyone give you anything to carry? Have your bags been in your possession the whole time? Rumor was that we got the idea from Israel, designed in part to identify suspicious behavior. I don't know if that's true, but the questions were pointless and didn't do any good, so they dropped them. As anyone who ever smuggled booze across the Canadian border knows, the idea that trained experts can fish out suspicious behavior with a series of dull questions is a bit of Jack Bauer wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 It has nothing to do with questions. They already monitor passengers for suspicious behavior passively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 They already monitor passengers for suspicious behavior passively. Who's they? The same highly trained TSA experts that everyone's raving about in this thread? Color me unimpressed. As far as I'm concerned, if a terrorist walks into an airport with a weapon and an intent to cause havoc, our national security infrastructure has already failed. The odds of stopping them from executing their plan at that point are pretty small, unless they're retarded (like the shoe bomber, or the underwear bomber). We're all extremely lucky that our enemies are largely retarded. Just like the TSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Tell us again how make-work jobs for uneducated people funded by the working class are a good thing. Then tell us about how it doesn't affect you. Fuckin' douche. +1, government doesn't create jobs. Without getting into too much detail, I think to some degree the U.S. need to examine and adopt parts of Israeli airport security. It all starts the same way as traffic stops in the U.S. do: Officer: "Good morning, where are you coming from and where are you going?" That would probably be condemned as racist or some other bullshit. Wait for the ACLU, NAACP, PETA, KKK, etc to sound the horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirks5oh Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Tell us again how make-work jobs for uneducated people funded by the working class are a good thing. Then tell us about how it doesn't affect you. Fuckin' douche. lulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Who's they? The same highly trained TSA experts that everyone's raving about in this thread? Color me unimpressed. As far as I'm concerned, if a terrorist walks into an airport with a weapon and an intent to cause havoc, our national security infrastructure has already failed. The odds of stopping them from executing their plan at that point are pretty small, unless they're retarded (like the shoe bomber, or the underwear bomber). We're all extremely lucky that our enemies are largely retarded. Just like the TSA. He's referring to the Israelis. They have a much more profiling-based system (a big no-no in the U.S.). Its impossible to tell if someone's going to attack based on the color of their skin in Israel, as you have many Arab Jews and Christians as well as Arab Muslims. The point of the questions is not to get answers, its to implant doubt and fear into terrorists. If they have to go through many layers of security, having answers to many questions, all while knowing their answers, actions, and appearances are being monitored, its enough to make someone nervous. That nervousness breeds mistakes, which is just what their security is based on. I largely agree with you that the TSA is retarded. It assumes that terrorists are going to use water bottles hidden in elderly folks' wheelchairs and shoe bombs on 4 year olds. Their method is to spread the fear around so everyone is on edge, waiting to react. The Israeli method is to make innocent people not think about security and suspicious people terrified of it. You give me a room of 100 people, 5 of whom feel extremely uncomfortable and it shouldn't be too hard to identify those 5. But if you give me a room of 100 people where everyone's on edge and 5 people are on edge and suspicious, its much harder to identify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Tell us again how make-work jobs for uneducated people funded by the working class are a good thing. Then tell us about how it doesn't affect you. Fuckin' douche. tell ya what, next time your out of a job and there isnt any around dont go askin the government for help, just sayin there is people that need jobs, and there are government jobs that do even less and get paid more than the tsa, you wanna bitch about our government money goin to pointless jobs, why not bitch about all the people abusing unemployment and welfare, at least the people are workin for the money in government jobs. besides even if my taxes werent paying those people, i would be paying just as much in taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 tell ya what, next time your out of a job and there isnt any around dont go askin the government for help, just sayin there is people that need jobs, and there are government jobs that do even less and get paid more than the tsa, you wanna bitch about our government money goin to pointless jobs, why not bitch about all the people abusing unemployment and welfare, at least the people are workin for the money in government jobs. besides even if my taxes werent paying those people, i would be paying just as much in taxes. In for ensuing beatdown... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnaplay1647545503 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I have flown 5 times since 9/11, never had a single issue or delay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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