TTQ B4U Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 or is it typical Fox news BS? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Nope...... It's True..... KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 cliffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Probably not THE most politically in the know site, but... http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=95576 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted July 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 So fox news is trollin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillJoy Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 CLICKY If you cannot believe your News Source, why read it? KillJoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL_Josh Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Probably not THE most politically in the know site, but... http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=95576 OR is a gun forum that sometimes talks about riding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 It's true and Iran is leading the treaty effort. If you think about it, why would the other news organizations care? (Not in their liberal loving agenda.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 There's so much spin around these parts I'm feeling a bit nauseated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 There's so much spin around these parts I'm feeling a bit nauseated. It's bad news anyway you spin it. Circumventing Our Rights, is never acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause an international accord that is inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution is void under domestic U.S. law, the same as any other federal law in conflict with the Constitution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause Concerns about treaties There has been some debate as to whether or not some of the basic principles of the United States Constitution, such as the country's system of government or Bill of Rights, could be affected by an ambitious treaty. In the 1950s, a Constitutional Amendment known as the Bricker Amendment was proposed in response to such fears. This proposed amendment would have mandated that all American treaties shall not conflict with the manifest powers granted to the Federal Government. Subsequent Federal court cases such as Seery v. United States, 127 F. Supp. 601 (Court of Claims, 1955), Diggs v. Schultz, 470 F.2d 461 (1972), and Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957) have, over the course of time, established in legal decisions most of the limitations that had been proposed by the Bricker Amendment.[6][7][8] It is my understanding that treaties fall under the supremacy clause, making them overrule state law. BUT, they can still be found to be unconstitutional. So if a treaty disarms the general public, it will be found to be in violation of the second amendment and therefore unconstitutional. They only way to legally end gun ownership is the repeal of the second amendment, or a new amendment claiming the second amendment to be void such as was done with prohibition. The only way they can get around this is to regulate things to the point where while it would be legal to own a firearm, it would be impossible to get one like how it is now in DC. You will note that the Obama administration is staying silent on this matter, it is being pushed by third parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey2721 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 its hard to get real raw details on this thing. i will tell you though it does scare the shit out of me. maybe partly the fact that i still cant find any solid real facts about any of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 its hard to get real raw details on this thing. i will tell you though it does scare the shit out of me. maybe partly the fact that i still cant find any solid real facts about any of it because there aren't many to be found. Iran is trying to troll the superpowers out of being able to sell arms to anyone. The NRA noticed that the way it is written would require sales records turned over to the UN so started their normal protest of erosion of gun rights. Nobody in our government has actually come out and said anything, and its being supported by Amnesty International and a couple other groups nobody has heard of. Sounds like talks of this nature have been going on some time, seeing how its reported that Bush told them to fuck off, and Obama is interested in talking about it but hasn't committed to anything. Obama has already done a lot to piss off the blue collar/union voters, and doing anything to hurt gun ownership will be a finishing move in that sector so he probably knows that he can't do anything about guns, at least not until after the election at which point, according to what he told the Russians, he's free to do a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 cliffs? In the first paragraph. Whoever wrote this thinks the second Amendment IN THE UNITED STATES, will be challenged by the rest of the world. They will have to pry it from my cold dead hands. If other countries don't like us owning weapons, dont fucking come here. Simple as that. (disclaimer: i did not read past the first paragraph and assume this is on a citizen level.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 The problem is our President and Secretary of State, as well as a majority of others in the current adminstration agree with the UN when it comes to domestic firearms control. At the very least, if this Treaty is eventually ratified by the Senate, the import of surplus military firearms and ammunition as well as import of sporting firearms and ammunition will become very expensive. UN members pushing for this treaty want to require extensive studies and reports detailing the possible impacts in the region and neighboring regions before any firearms or ammunition could be transferred across Country borders. Imagine how much that would cost and how much time it would take to generate the reports and then have the UN bureacrats make a decision on whether it's a good idea to import some surplus ammo or fierarms. Imports will simply stop. There is a good chance we could end up with a national gun registry so that firearms could be properly tracked and accounted for. This way they can tax gun owners for each firearm they own to generate enough revenue to pay for the new systems and costs associated with regulations like this. Big Government. What can you do? Send an email to your Senators and let them know how you feel about a treaty like this. The Senate will have to have a 2/3rds majority vote to ratify the Treaty once it's signed by Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 its a bunch of fear mongering what-could-be bullshit. That is ALL big media does, because these stories get viewers, viewers get ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 I hope you're right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco-REX Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 And how often have we followed UN rules that we don't like? Yeah.. I wouldn't worry too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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