Rustlestiltskin Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 The Mosin-nagant is an old school bolt action rifle from Russia. Originally designed by a drunk Russian engineer and an even more drunk Belgian gunsmith, who drew up blueprints on napkins in the back of a pub somewhere in Siberia in a vodka-induced stupor. The Mosin-nagant fires the 7.62x54r cartridge, which can kill a polar bear at a thousand yards and keep going right through the tree he was standing in front of. The Mosin-nagant was used by the Russians in both world wars, so it’s killed more Germans than collisions on the autobahn and under-cooked sauerkraut combined. Surplus Mosins can be found at gun shops in the States for like a hundred bucks on sale, and ammo is cheap surplus, so this is what real men shoot who don’t want to drop $1299.99 on an AR-15 which fires a .22 round and that’s made out of recycled milk jugs and Lego's. Many of them come with a bayonet that’s roughly the size of the sword William Wallace used in Brave heart. In the absence of gun oil, you can clean a Mosin by pissing down the barrel and wiping the bolt off with a dirty rag that you found on the floor in a Grease Monkey. Try that with a rifle that was designed less than 50 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 The VEPR shoots 54R surplus ammo! I had the pleasure of shooting one two Saturdays ago as well as today. I like that round! I'd never own a mosin though. Not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 I wish the ammo was still cheap(er) and plentiful. http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted December 14, 2013 Report Share Posted December 14, 2013 I wish the ammo was still cheap(er) and plentiful. http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm Enjoyed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted December 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 The VEPR shoots 54R surplus ammo! I had the pleasure of shooting one two Saturdays ago as well as today. I like that round! I'd never own a mosin though. Not my cup of tea. Yea the VEPR's are amazing. I plan on owning one in 7.62x54r within the next year. They are basically a non scoped dragonov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/vepr-tactical-rifle-7-62x54r-detail.html?Itemid=0 + http://texasweaponsystems.com/id1.html + Scope of choice ___________________________________ Pretty awesome set up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GMoney Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 The Mosin-nagant is an old school bolt action rifle from Russia. Originally designed by a drunk Russian engineer and an even more drunk Belgian gunsmith, who drew up blueprints on napkins in the back of a pub somewhere in Siberia in a vodka-induced stupor. The Mosin-nagant fires the 7.62x54r cartridge, which can kill a polar bear at a thousand yards and keep going right through the tree he was standing in front of. The Mosin-nagant was used by the Russians in both world wars, so it’s killed more Germans than collisions on the autobahn and under-cooked sauerkraut combined. Surplus Mosins can be found at gun shops in the States for like a hundred bucks on sale, and ammo is cheap surplus, so this is what real men shoot who don’t want to drop $1299.99 on an AR-15 which fires a .22 round and that’s made out of recycled milk jugs and Lego's. Many of them come with a bayonet that’s roughly the size of the sword William Wallace used in Brave heart. In the absence of gun oil, you can clean a Mosin by pissing down the barrel and wiping the bolt off with a dirty rag that you found on the floor in a Grease Monkey. Try that with a rifle that was designed less than 50 years ago. Hopefully you didn't come up this.... First off I really like older guns and Diamonds can attest to my dislike of AR style guns, but your so off base with this post. Trying to compare a old bolt action long gun to anything other than a say a 8mm Mauser your going to fail. With that being said the Mauser is way better round, the surplus ammo is of higher quality than most 7.62x54 I have seen and the Mauser is also a better designed gun. I could go into the head separation and other potential issues with the Mosin, but I will not since I have never heard of major catastrophic failures of the Mosin. I'm just saying that you need to pick up something else like a 8mm Mauser and shoot that before you say the Nagant is the only good inexpensive long gun out there, there are better relatively cheap good shooters out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted December 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Hopefully you didn't come up this.... First off I really like older guns and Diamonds can attest to my dislike of AR style guns, but your so off base with this post. Trying to compare a old bolt action long gun to anything other than a say a 8mm Mauser your going to fail. With that being said the Mauser is way better round, the surplus ammo is of higher quality than most 7.62x54 I have seen and the Mauser is also a better designed gun. I could go into the head separation and other potential issues with the Mosin, but I will not since I have never heard of major catastrophic failures of the Mosin. I'm just saying that you need to pick up something else like a 8mm Mauser and shoot that before you say the Nagant is the only good inexpensive long gun out there, there are better relatively cheap good shooters out there. Lol It's a quote from another forum. Calm down mr. High Point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GMoney Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Just having fun also. High Point? Don't own one, never will and i tried so hard to convince myself to buy one. Everyone owns one Harbor Freight tool, right? Mine is a box of O-rings that I use basically as rubber bands because i don't trust them for sealing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackbar00 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 http://texasweaponsystems.com/id1.html VEPR (except 7.62x54) & RPK Models Order Part #32310 Guess it would not work. To bad, pretty cool looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LS_Sonoma Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 The Mosin is my wet dream as far as gunsmithing goes. It can be a beautiful machine with the right work done to it. First thing I would does is clean up the bolt guide with a mill and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted December 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 The Mosin is my wet dream as far as gunsmithing goes. It can be a beautiful machine with the right work done to it. First thing I would does is clean up the bolt guide with a mill and go from there. This, plus there are a ton of Mosin variations. Comparing some basic 91/30 turd Mosin to some other high quality surplus rifle is silly. Might as well compare a Wasr ak47 to a norinco. I'd put up my mint Finnish M39 Mosin against any Mauser in a shooting comp, build quality, and finish department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I like my boat oar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 making an argument for why you like your well-kept-sniper-scope (450.00 dollar) mosin nagant is basically the same as "being a troll asking to be trolled". Amiright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted December 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 making an argument for why you like your well-kept-sniper-scope (450.00 dollar) mosin nagant is basically the same as "being a troll asking to be trolled". Amiright? There's no argument. Everybody likes different firearms. I can appreciate an old surplus rifle just as I can appreciate a quality AR. No hate. And for the record, the m39 is completely stock. iron sights n all. It will never be a "sniper scope" mosin nagant. And what does price have to do with anything? Would it make you wet if they were $2000 rifles? This is a surplus rifle thread that was supposed to bring humor to the gun section while talking about a popular rifle.... Typical yuppy firearm fanboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) Yea the VEPR's are amazing. I plan on owning one in 7.62x54r within the next year. They are basically a non scoped dragonov The VEPR is more like the Romanian PSL54C than a Dragunov. The VEPR and PSL rifles are really just big AKs. They have a long stroke piston action and stamped metal receivers. The SVD Dragunov is a completely different firearm with an adjustable short stroke gas piston and a milled receiver. Great rifles, though! And you are correct about the Finnish M39 - they are FANTASTIC shooters. Generally more accurate than most Russian variations. Edited December 15, 2013 by jjjxlr8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 I think the Mosin Nagant rifles sometimes get a bad rap for quality due to their sloppy refurb shellac finish and their cheap price tag. Some of these rifles, particularly the genuine WWII era snipers, can be extremely accurate with even inexpensive surplus ammo. I've found that my PU snipers really like the old Russian (plant 188) heavy ball ammo from 1952 and the Czech (bxn) light ball from 1986. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_4610_zpsd76af715.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_9117_zps78641ddf.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_9113_zpsb96c151f.jpg Here is what the same rifle, on the same day, with the same shooter (me!) did with Czech light ball from 1965. Notice how much different this is compared to the same ammo from a different year and lot! The key to making these old rifles shoot is using the right ammo... http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_9112_zpsc861d023.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIEF Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Didn't know a Mosin was worth arguing about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 There's no argument. Everybody likes different firearms. I can appreciate an old surplus rifle just as I can appreciate a quality AR. No hate. And for the record, the m39 is completely stock. iron sights n all. It will never be a "sniper scope" mosin nagant. And what does price have to do with anything? Would it make you wet if they were $2000 rifles? This is a surplus rifle thread that was supposed to bring humor to the gun section while talking about a popular rifle.... Typical yuppy firearm fanboy. For the record (regarding the Mosin) I don't know the first thing about them actually... I prefer aluminum guns, or steel guns that were bent from receiver flats... I shot a Mauser yesterday, it was fun... but not for long. as for the fanboy comment... haven't we been over that already? and you "tucked-in" your loud mouth? that's how I remember it. Didn't know a Mosin was worth arguing about I think he was making excuses for them.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 (edited) The Mosin Nagant rifles have a long history and have been involved in many conflicts since the first was designed back in 1891. They are great collectibles because there are so many variations and many can be had for reasonable prices. I think the Finnish examples are probably the most accurate and my personal favorites. The Finnish had a way with taking Russian designs and improving them (not just Mosin Nagants, either). They often upgraded the barrels, the triggers, the stocks, and the sights. Here's some Finnish Mosin Nagant rifles: M91 - this one was actually made by a well know US manufacturer, New England Westinghouse under contract for Russia. At some point it was likely captured by the Finnish and completely reworked for issue to the Finnish Army. This particular rifle also has Civil Guard markings indicating it was loaned to the Civil Guard by the Army. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_7101_zps3a5bf31d.jpg Here's a couple more Finnish beauties - top is a Finnish made M91/30, made by Tikka in 1944, bottom is a M39 made by VKT in 1942. http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_1444_zpsc70b8f9d.jpg The Finnish also captured many Russian firearms during the Winter and Continuation Wars and re-issued them to the Finnish forces without any modification. Here's some examples: 1938 Izhevsk M91/30. Notice the SA mark which stands for Suomen Armeija or Finnish Army http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/1938%20Izhevsk/IMG_9510_zps7a1d7b6f.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/1938%20Izhevsk/IMG_9522_zps0348945b.jpg 1941 Izhevsk M91/30 http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/1941%20Izhevsk/IMG_9730_zps29559acb.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/1941%20Izhevsk/IMG_9748_zpsfc546b27.jpg Not a Mosin Nagant, but another great Russian rifle captured by the Finnish in the same time frame - 1941 Izhevsk Tokarev SVT40 http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_9765_zpsf7f0f6ca.jpg http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k239/jjjxlr8/IMG_9786_zps07089696.jpg Edited December 18, 2013 by jjjxlr8 spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Great Pictures and information Jeremy. Always nice seeing you talk about firearms and also providing pictures to go along with. I'll try and post up a pic of my Finnish m39 tomorrow. Mine looks basically identical to your M39 even down to being made by VKT. Only difference is that mine was made in 1944. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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