WideOpenThrottle Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Well, I bought a 1967 Camaro off eBay and the listing read "This car has quite of bit of work done to it. I have a lot of time into it. I have replaced the frame rails with new ones. I put floor pans. A full trunk pan. I also put new inner and outer back wheel wells. The tail pan is new as well. The passenger side rocker panel is new. I put new body mounts on it. I have the other rocker panel but it doesn't really need to be replaced. I have the back seat but no front seat. It has a 4 1/2" scoop that need to be finished being blended in. It is cut and fitted. It is also setup for disc brake in the front. The some of the body panels need to be finished being blended in but I have a great start on them There is not motor or trans. This car is a great project. A lot of the hard work has been done. Pictures from the listing: http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/C7063C2B-79A7-4CDB-BF02-44BD52609759_zpspmarjmfs.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/5072351D-07AF-4E0A-81B5-5A9F1D969260_zpsl7g489ba.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/EB3FC531-F1FA-4527-A45F-A977CB5A331C_zpsih7xplcd.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/E8AB32EF-69C9-461C-BE09-9D19D239FD10_zpsefirkxbl.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/1967Camaro4_zpsaedd7685.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/E4D2E8F1-6C81-4A23-8E8B-CE102D641B09_zpsfcxxn5gg.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/C44A7B47-89F2-45DF-A301-E97A56FE4415_zpsxctibfqm.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideOpenThrottle Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 I had it shipped to me, and this is what I got. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/5C7F7EB3-4AC3-4E27-BF4C-8390A12E2C91_zpsmjpxohor.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/D45D0FC1-FA91-406F-8F75-41C15F65B868_zpse08mioil.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/1BA00ECC-94C8-462C-A633-19D77B24A06C_zpssmw4sy4r.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/21B0CFD2-5F3E-4CEC-96E4-20564C7C6FC1_zpsy5ih5yzn.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/367AC2D9-4A06-4FE0-9803-7A7AB9C99CBF_zpsjhn5rmku.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/D260122B-9871-40DC-9E3A-B4D4B6AC9DFB_zpsdsw8qsmx.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/9D8B1BB4-E55E-4B0A-A9E0-A2A661D8C4DD_zpsdxychgjx.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/43173FF0-671F-43DB-A6CC-D85208E2095B_zpsodhcd6ts.png They used the rear seat to hide the fact they didn't weld in the rear torque boxes http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/7B8497ED-0B08-4D93-8F76-32EFA11CA0F3_zps0mh9a7io.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/21AA3842-BF99-4555-95FD-913706C6C467_zpsvra5jvym.png "New" Rocker http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/584D022A-343F-4810-AEA4-307162C0227A_zpssj692c13.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/49BBD98C-6C66-41DE-8E1B-681B60E23B19_zpslpd9cg1n.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/015FC76E-6982-421A-8BFB-374B92034BC5_zpsj3krjmhr.png http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e297/jclay_13/398C31EC-7558-40EF-B6FE-AEFA759D26E5_zpscikmuewo.png Off by just a little on the rocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideOpenThrottle Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 He welded the rear leaf spring to the frame rail so the frame isn't even touching the floor pan now. About 2"s between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideOpenThrottle Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Ok. Sorry, photobucket was running slow. Took forever for it to let me copy and paste image links, stupid ads causing lag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturg1647545502 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Fuck. that. noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboTank Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 unfortunately i see this alot. it makes my job harder also as most of the time the correct bracing wasnt used while replacing panels, and the door gaps are most likely miles off. 90% of the aftermarket panels you buy are close at best, and need tons of rework to get correct. if you need any help let me know, we have built cars out of vin tags before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPL_Josh Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Damn that sucks, is there anything you can do to ship back the car and refund the money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturg1647545502 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Damn that sucks, is there anything you can do to ship back the car and refund the money? Ebay dude just unloaded a hacked up rust bucket and someone paid him for it...unless theres legal precedent I would assume it's a done deal. I'm sure a crack team of lawyers from the law offices of C & R will offer up their advice shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 The before pictures looked fucked, I would have asked for close-ups of the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordell Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Part of eBay is that ebay guarantees that the item is as described, if you can show that it isn't getting a refund shouldn't be too hard. That being said while the car looks like shit, I'm not sure the description is accurate enough to make it an easy deal either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideOpenThrottle Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 I'm not sure if there is anything I can do. EBay offers no protection if the car is older than ten years. I have called him numerous times and text him but now that the car has been shipped to me he won't respond to anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Sorry, photobucket was running slow. Took forever for it to let me copy and paste image links, stupid ads causing lag. WOW. Unreal pics. What are your plans on getting your money back and exposing him as a scam artist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinwebb Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 How did you pay for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Ebay dude just unloaded a hacked up rust bucket and someone paid him for it YEP this exactly. Gotten burned too many times on ebay, NEVER EVER again. Will always inspect in person before buying, or pass. Sorry you got burned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Id still open a dispute with Paypal, assuming you paid that way. Tell them the item was not as described and 99% of the time they will side with the buyer. How far away did the car come from? Shipping costs? Id imagine best case scenario you'd have to eat shipping costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideOpenThrottle Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) I paid using a check or else I would have filed with PayPal. I should have just eaten the extra there ( Meaning used PayPal ) and my ass would be covered. It was in Tunkhannock Pa, which is 500 miles from Chillicothe, OH. Edited September 4, 2014 by WideOpenThrottle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 I paid using a check or else I would have filed with PayPal. I should have just eaten the extra there and my ass would be covered. It was in Tunkhannock Pa, which is 500 miles from Chillicothe, OH. How much did this end up running you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 WOW. Unreal pics. What are your plans on getting your money back and exposing him as a scam artist? Justice League Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Nobody to blame but the buyer.... It's your responsibility to cover all the bases. Shame on you for buying something sight unseen without as much as asking for additional up close pictures. Yes, the guy should've been a little forthcoming about the work, but what kinda bonehead doesn't inspect a project closer before a big purchase like this? This isn't a scam at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Nobody to blame but the buyer.... It's your responsibility to cover all the bases. Shame on you for buying something sight unseen without as much as asking for additional up close pictures. Yes, the guy should've been a little forthcoming about the work, but what kinda bonehead doesn't inspect a project closer before a big purchase like this? This isn't a scam at all. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleguy Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Nobody to blame but the buyer.... It's your responsibility to cover all the bases. Shame on you for buying something sight unseen without as much as asking for additional up close pictures. Yes, the guy should've been a little forthcoming about the work, but what kinda bonehead doesn't inspect a project closer before a big purchase like this? This isn't a scam at all. Kind of sucks but very true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 FWIW, the car is so bad that there is no way that the seller wasn't intentionally hiding stuff, so if you wanted to take legal action there might be something to stand on. However, financially it is absolutely not worth it. you paid for a lesson in what not to do in buying a project car. Ebay in general is a red flag, paying with a check is a red flag, pictures that look like they were taken with a potato instead of a camera is a red flag. so rather than dwell on what's happened....let's focus on the future. 1) Leave the seller negative feedback. It doesn't do much but it does something 2) how much did you pay for this wreck? If it wasn't a lot might I suggest that you look into one of the dynacorn Repop bodies. $13,500 and the car is all brand new sheet-metal ready to paint. You just weld the section that had the vin tag and data plate on to the new car and then you can cut up the old shell and sell the metal to some other restorer. Just looking at whats there and what's probably still hidden I think you'll be cheaper in the long run, unless there is a body guy on here willing to give someone the "bro price" on building a unibody car up from the vin tags. http://www.dynacornclassicbodies.com/gm_models2.html 3) you can sell it and recoup some of the losses. There is no such thing as a "cheap" first gen F body project anymore and while you probably won't get your money back for it you'll get something. Personally I would give you $500 for it (please don't take that as an insult) but that is what it is worth to me to cut up and resell as parts, someone with real stars in their eyes and basic working knowledge of a mig welder might give you a lot more. hey Farkas, while I agree with most of what you say there are ways to be less of a dick about it. And for the record this is still a scam - the seller knew this car had these issues and was fishing for a buyer who wasn't going to look to close. That's why it was on ebay in the first place, that is why the pics were taken the way they were, it was all setup to hide what is so glaringly obviously a wreck that if on the off chance that the seller really was ignorant then they are also probably mentally handicapped. These kind of actions are what separate good guys from scumbags, and this seller is a scumbag. You know what we (society) call people who willfully look for people to exploit? Scam Artists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergwheel1647545492 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 With normal ebay auctions you pay the deposit up front and then the remainder in person when you pick it up, right? so when you got there and saw this thing in person you still paid him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miller11386 Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Nobody to blame but the buyer.... It's your responsibility to cover all the bases. Shame on you for buying something sight unseen without as much as asking for additional up close pictures. Yes, the guy should've been a little forthcoming about the work, but what kinda bonehead doesn't inspect a project closer before a big purchase like this? This isn't a scam at all. Yep. +2 You buy a car without inspecting it, you get what you get. People only sell shit on ebay or stuff there is no market in their area for. Obviously you know which one this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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