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Of course Macs have vulnerabilities and can be compromised. But the issues facing Windows are just massive, I mean there is no way to stop viruses anymore, unless you get lucky and download a virus that isn't F.U.D (Fully Undetectable).

 

Research F.U.D Malware, it's success rate, and the dozens of commercially available "crime kits" sold on the underwebs. All of them are F.U.D, and most all of them will completely own your computer and you won't have the slightest clue. I LOL at people who think they are safe because they have windows essentials and a good anti virus :dumb:. Anti-Virus is so 2009. It's gotten to the point with Windows where there's nothing you can do to stop 90% of viruses, other then using your head.

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I LOL at people who think they are safe because they have windows essentials and a good anti virus :dumb:. Anti-Virus is so 2009. It's gotten to the point with Windows where there's nothing you can do to stop 90% of viruses, other then using your head.

 

I LOL at people who think using a Mac is any different. You're just as vulnerable. "Security by Obscurity" is not a valid method. The only reason Macs aren't as attacked as Windows is their lack of market share.

 

Chrysler's system is almost entirely proprietary, even more than a Mac, and there's already a way to fully attack them. If the true Crackers really cared about Macs, you'd have just as many attacks.

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I LOL at people who think using a Mac is any different. You're just as vulnerable. "Security by Obscurity" is not a valid method. The only reason Macs aren't as attacked as Windows is their lack of market share.

 

Chrysler's system is almost entirely proprietary, even more than a Mac, and there's already a way to fully attack them. If the true Crackers really cared about Macs, you'd have just as many attacks.

 

I think there's just as much out there for Mac and Linux, we just don't know it yet. Windows is mainstream so more people are doing it and more novices get caught which sheds light on what's going on. Linux and Mac aren't so popular, but those who know and can probably are but aren't yet discovered.

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Excuse the dumb question from the non-IT guy, but what are most viruses designed to do these days? I typically just stay away from the shady porn sites and don't download from LimeWire (for like the past 10 years). That's about the extent of my virus knowledge.

 

What should/shouldn't I be doing differently to protect myself?

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I LOL at people who think using a Mac is any different. You're just as vulnerable. "Security by Obscurity" is not a valid method. The only reason Macs aren't as attacked as Windows is their lack of market share.

 

Chrysler's system is almost entirely proprietary, even more than a Mac, and there's already a way to fully attack them. If the true Crackers really cared about Macs, you'd have just as many attacks.

 

I agree, the main reason Mac's aren't targeted is because there's relatively few of them out there. Im not sure I agree with "Just as Vulnerable" though. I mean there's certain features of Windows that are easily exploited (Flash Player, Internet Explorer) and the problem just never seems to end. Occasionally i'll hear of a Flash-Based OSX exploit, but not very often. Also doesn't OSX have some sort of Sand-Box feature that thwarts most exploit attempts?

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Excuse the dumb question from the non-IT guy, but what are most viruses designed to do these days? I typically just stay away from the shady porn sites and don't download from LimeWire (for like the past 10 years). That's about the extent of my virus knowledge.

 

What should/shouldn't I be doing differently to protect myself?

 

Most viruses nowadays are after personal/bank account information. Typically you get infected by clicking on a link and loading a malicious website (Drive by Download).

 

Best defense is to use your head. Dont open email from people you don't know, and even then be weary^clicking hotlinks from people you do know; their system could be compromised and sending you targeted emails.

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Still using XP. There's zero reason for me to "upgrade" to something newer.

 

..other than the fact that Microsoft is no longer supporting XP (well, unless you have millions of dollars laying around like the DOD), so any new exploits will not be fixed.

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I agree, the main reason Mac's aren't targeted is because there's relatively few of them out there. Im not sure I agree with "Just as Vulnerable" though. I mean there's certain features of Windows that are easily exploited (Flash Player, Internet Explorer) and the problem just never seems to end. Occasionally i'll hear of a Flash-Based OSX exploit, but not very often. Also doesn't OSX have some sort of Sand-Box feature that thwarts most exploit attempts?

 

Software today, especially operating systems, is WELL beyond the point where someone, or even a team of someones, can be sure that all avenues of attack are accounted for. Just like the only way to be sure you won't knock up a girl is to keep your dick in your pants, the only way to be sure a system won't be attacked is to cut it off from any outside contact. Since that's not possible (unless you like expensive, overly-complex paper weights) any system can be compromised. And frankly, when it comes to data security, 1% vulnerability is the same as 100% vulnerability. Like a car alarm, The Club, and other anti-theft measures, you can deter the small-fry, but the big sharks will still get your shit.

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Don't think ive ever bought a copy of windows, shall get 10 the same way i get all the others I have had.

 

You can upgrade to 10 legitimately even if you have 7 or 8 not so legitimate.

 

Win 8 is great, so much better than 7. 7 has piss poor performance over networks (at least with my experience) and if you have the new start page set up correctly you can get to what you need a lot better than the old start menu. Hopefully they have a good balance in 10 between the benefits of both.

 

I see the Mac idiots are in here talking nonsense again about not getting viruses LOL

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..other than the fact that Microsoft is no longer supporting XP (well, unless you have millions of dollars laying around like the DOD), so any new exploits will not be fixed.

 

Why should I care?

 

Legitimate question. I'm not trying to be a smartass

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Why should I care?

 

Legitimate question. I'm not trying to be a smartass

 

Say someone finds a exploit in Windows XP that allows them to completely take control of your system, and encrypts all of your files. The only way to get it back is to pay them money.

 

Because XP isn't supported by Microsoft, such an exploit will never be fixed, and you'll always be vulnerable.

 

All of the above has already happened.

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  • 2 weeks later...

For me the upgrade from 7 --> 10 went ok.

 

There were just some odd things like sometimes certain control panel windows wouldn't open all the time. A reboot would always fix it.

 

So I created a install usb using the tool from Microsoft and did a fresh install. Activated with no problem and it runs fine. Would recommend if you are a tinkerer but not on a machine you need to do work on. Definitely go through all settings and disable everything you don't need.

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I've been on 10 for almost two weeks now. I did NOT do an upgrade, but a fresh install. The first few days was laden with weird crashes, but they seemed to have worked them selves out. Overall, a pretty positive experience. I do recommend Classic shell, and googling how to disable all the tracking BS.
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10 was the last straw. 8 sucked and came installed on a laptop we bought 3 weeks ago. 10 install was already set up, I guess. Once it was updated, we lost the cursor. Did all the online troubleshooting, nothing worked. 3 hours with MS tech support, to include letting them remote in (I hate that). They could not fix it. We spent 10 days working on it, and said we were done. Had bought it on Amazon Prime, and sent it back for a full refund. Bought a Mac air that day and will likely buy another Mac for me when my laptop dies. I'm running win 7 ultimate and have no issues or interest in "upgrading".
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