zeitgeist57 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://jalopnik.com/the-toyota-s-fr-will-be-light-fun-and-cheaper-than-a-m-1736022132 So...let me get this straight: -lightweight sports car from Toyota. -RWD, 6-speed manual. -Should be well under $20k to start. ...AAAND it might be coming to America? Miata-bros? Toyobaru-bros? AutoX-bros? Is anyone noticing the news around this thing???:thumbup: Horsepower sells, but if something this pure, fun, and cheap were to be sold in the U.S., I think it would sell 100k of them a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POS VETT Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 My lawn mower has more torque than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Cool, but that concept looks pretty awful IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I just hope they REALLY change that front grille.... far too big and bass fish looking. Otherwise, I have more interest in this than the FR-S, by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 My lawn mower has more torque than that. Those numbers are exactly on with my AE86, and it's an extremely fun car... so don't let it fool you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverMaker Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 That makes a Miata look manly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted October 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'm digging the whole thing because it's such a simple, uncluttered design. It's not feminine, but also not aggressive. It's fish-mouth in it's own sense of personality (or lack of it). I haven't even seen the interior, but as long as it has an A/C and possibly cruise control option - and a radio - I'd be good with it. I drive 138hp in a 3100lb convertible and I make it where I need to go ahead of everyone else just fine. EDIT: NOT SAYING I'D BUY ONE...so don't go start with the "Clay review" stuff again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POS VETT Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Those numbers are exactly on with my AE86, and it's an extremely fun car... so don't let it fool you Says you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFo Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Nothing an LSx swap won't fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowHBK Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 The mouth on that thing is so huge, like its yelling at the top of its lungs or someone surprised it by shoving a watermelon in its tail pipe. http://i.imgur.com/7okwrI6.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 2160 lbs would be fun, but after they pile on all the crap for murican markets will need better brakes, rubber, more power, etc. to retain decent performance Still, cheap lightweight rwd manual cars are good, if people actually buy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 the issue I have is....doesn't toyota already have a car like this? the FRS? What does this do that the FRS doesn't besides potentially cost less than $20k? All I could see this doing here in the US is eat the ass out of the FRS sales market to the point where it isn't profitable for toyota to bring in either, and then they cancel making cheap sports cars and go back to trying to convince us highlanders are something we want in super deluxe $40K hybrid models. oh and selling us $80K land cruisers -they are great at that too. I don't see there being a use for this car in the US other than a novelty for a year or so and eventually convincing toyota can't sell cheap sports cars in the US market and go back to developing a $75K supra. I would rather Toyota/subaru create a "track mule edition" FRS where they strip out the back seats, the standard back up camera, and other crap to get the price from $26K to $19K and sell that instead. As far as the looks? I kind of like it. reminds me of some of the eggcrate fishmouths from 50's british sports cars like the AC Ace coupe and the austin Healey 100 Coupe http://www.automobilesreview.com/gallery/ac/ac-aceca.jpg http://www.conceptcarz.com/images/Austin-Healey/56-Austin-Healey_100-4_Coupe-DV-09_CbS_01.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grudes Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Ehh not really my thing. Being 6'4 I dont fit into small cars very well. I wonder how many people are looking for a turbo kit for it already... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TOYOTA_S-FR-626x417.jpeg http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TOYOTA_S-FR_front-626x417.jpg http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TOYOTA_S-FR_rear-626x417.jpg http://www.carnichiwa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TOYOTA_S-FR_016_s.jpg http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TOYOTA_S-FR_dash-626x417.jpg http://www.tflcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/TOYOTA_S-FR_019_s-620x396.jpg http://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/toyota-s-fr-entry-level-sports-car-designboom-11-818x529.jpg http://www.designboom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/toyota-s-fr-entry-level-sports-car-designboom-09-818x580.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 TBH, I'm looking forward to a car like this... it's what the FR-S should have been from the beginning- Sub 2100-2200lbs, 130-150hp, RWD, 6spd. I'll be watching this one closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airwg2189 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 The name is dumb and the front grill is ugly. This thing won't sell enough for Toyota to justify keeping it around long, and will hurt FR-S sales. Who would buy this over <insert car here>? Only sports car guys looking for a Miata would be interested, and that's a very niche market. I like Toyota having the balls to try something new and add some spark into the car scene, but I can't see this as anything other than a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowHBK Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 i'm sorry... but this is all I see when I look at that front end. http://i.imgur.com/euLe0Fc.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 glass roof on a small car like this is kind of interesting.....wonder how long it takes before the aftermarket makes a CF replacement panel if the car makes production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 The design of this car is supposedly in homage to the classic Toyota Sports 800 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Sports_800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 130-150hp It looks like a kei car, I'm guessing standard 70hp 600cc engine for Japan, if it comes to the US it'll be a 1000cc, 110hp at the absolute top end of possible. Then everyone will complain that it's too slow and expensive and will sell in CR-Z numbers, which is to say, complete shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 It looks like a kei car, I'm guessing standard 70hp 600cc engine for Japan, if it comes to the US it'll be a 1000cc, 110hp at the absolute top end of possible. Then everyone will complain that it's too slow and expensive and will sell in CR-Z numbers, which is to say, complete shit. It'll be along the size of a kei-car... Miata or Mini Cooper competitor. A couple people here keep mentioning it'll be classed like an FR-S, but they don't realize how small and compact this car is supposed to be. "A wheelbase of 97.6 inches puts the S-FR about midway between Toyota’s current compact rear-drive sports coupe, the Scion FR-S (101.2 inches), and the Mazda Miata (90.9 inches). So, too, does the concept’s overall length of 157 inches, which is 10 inches shorter than the FR-S and three inches longer than the Mazda. At 66.7 inches wide, the Toyota is narrower than both cars, and it’s also taller, at 52 inches." They've already said a Toyota 2NR-FE 1.5l with 130hp/109tq paired with a 6spd and I pray an LSD. Suspension likely McPherson, but independent would be fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 I really dig the other Toyota concept car. The Toyota Kikai. http://jalopnik.com/toyotas-kikai-concept-is-an-amazing-mid-rear-engine-hot-1735616668 Not as many pics in this article as I've seen in some others, but I'm kinda in a rush. Anyway, I don't just think the car itself is cool, but the actual "concept". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robochan Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 If the miata was 20k i would think this is dumb but seeing how most FRS's are mid to high 20s and every miata on the lot i have seen is 29k this might make sense. Sports 800 FTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensan Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 A sporty car in that price range would actually sell, rather than have limited production numbers. It will always be good to have a manual rear wheel drive car in a lower price range for used car/aftermarket parts options. This is a good thing. If it sells well, other manufacturers will realize there is a market for this and produce something similar (I hope). Lightweight and cheap is what the Mustang/Camaro USED to be, and I'm happy to see more options than the Miata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergwheel1647545492 Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-honda-s660-mid-engine-roadster-first-drive-review i like this better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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